dogwatch
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AFAIK the $2M comes from a TE podcast. I'd question how he'd know. Kind of doubt GD or team told him.
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dogwatch
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Not really, the protocol is structured to encourage early entry.
That's possible, he may have mentioned $2M. But at least one report in NZ media has claimed that the Jeddah deal pays $8M whereas the Med deals being negotiated were for $6M. Maybe that's where he got it from?
It's also possible that he has 'sources' for those figures. And on that subject, and since the AP lost its mind over the release to NZ media of the AM application to the AP, I will go on to speculate that - just like in several other recent articles in the press down there - the source of the AM application's details may well have been Farmer and/or Ross. But since neither of them are on the inside of any of the teams, they would (assuming all this) have to have gotten it from a team. And the closest relationship I can think of, to tie that all up, would be BB - who is on the board of Alinghi. Would BB have shared it, with permission to share it also to the media? No idea. And I actually don't care that much, the application should have been made transparent from the start IMO.
Forourselves
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lol and...
The only person to be "afraid of" in the AC is Dan Bernasconi.
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Forourselves
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The Arbitration case has been dismissed by the Arbitration panel as the application was not in accordance with the protocol The decision is solely with the CoR and Defender which already have indicated they do not support AM being excused.
Am can make another application if theitr current one fails at both the Arbitration and D CoR level but they would need to convince the panel to deviate from their current decision, which is unlikely.
So if AM does decide to harden up with some of Eric P's mercenaries and do Jeddah because otherwise they will have penalty points, I expect everyone will be blaming the Americans for making everyone else including spectators and public a "softer" target.
Well, if it's deemed "not dangerous' for AM per D/COR and any further arbitration then it's on them.
Well, if it's deemed "not dangerous' for AM per D/COR and any further arbitration then it's on them.
Would fan the flames for sure! lol
The Jeddah event will be a PR disaster if 'America' is not there, since how can you possibly sweep that fact under the rug? There must surely be a rethink in the works, it's just a freaking weekend regatta that almost nobody actually cares about.
porthos
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Correct insofar as the COR/D has to first decide whether to excuse AM from the Jeddah event. The panel confirmed that AM can file another application seeking relief from the panel in the event the COR/D refuse to excuse AM from the Jeddah event.
The panel dismissed AM's first application on procedural grounds, so that application is done. There is nothing left to fail.
As to your last sentence, you are confusing AM's application (filed on May 3) with the reply AM filed on May 23. AM apparently raised (for the first time) a number of arguments in it's May 23 reply claiming that the arbitration panel did not need to wait for the COR/D to make a decision before the arbitration panel could consider AM's application. (See 05/04/23 Decision at paras. 16-18.). The panel said that AM needed to raise those new arguments (first found in AM' reply) in a new petition (and not in a reply to the old now-dismissed petition) (see 05/04/23 Decision at para 41), and noted for AM that the panel was not inclined to agree with AM's new arguments that the panel could hear the matter before the COR/D first made a decision (but did invite AM to try again).
Rennmaus
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It would only be a PR disaster if anyone except approx. 6 forum posters cared about it.
dogwatch
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4 days, strictly speaking. So potential Mediterranean host cities were, supposedly, up for paying $6M for a 4 day regatta that "almost nobody actually cares about". What's wrong with this picture?
I could see it worth being worth at least something to Cagliari and LR/Prada for promotional reasons. They almost had an event in the last cycle too. The problem there now was with govt budgets and the schedules of the payments; apparently Jeddah is willing to just pay up front, no hassles, and so GD is going after that despite the problems.
enigmatically2
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The very bottom club in the bottom of the 4 divisions of the British football league this year is Rochdale AFC. Their turnover was more than that last year. And their average attendance was less than 3000. So in world sport terms, I think almost nobody is about right
dg_sailingfan
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Can anyone of the Kiwi Commenters here get behind this paywall:
@Sailbydate, where are you when I need you
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www.nzherald.co.nz
@Sailbydate, where are you when I need you
Team NZ to make big decision after Am Cup rival's Saudi appeal rejected
American Magic want to be excused from competing in Jeddah later this year.
www.nzherald.co.nz
Sailbydate
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American Magic’s appeal to forgo the America’s Cup preliminary regatta in Saudi Arabia has been dismissed by the arbitration panel. The team cited serious safety concerns as they looked to skip the regatta to be sailed in Jeddah from November 30 to December 3.
All six teams challenging for the America’s Cup in Barcelona next year are required to compete in the preliminary regattas and, in their decision, the three-man independent arbitration panel ruled the issue was out of their jurisdiction. American Magic have the right to appeal the initial application being dismissed, but the panel stated it “would need convincing to deviate from its current position”. American Magic’s request will instead come down to the Defender (Team New Zealand) and Challenger of Record (Britannia) to decide on. The arbitration panel stated that American Magic may make a new application to the panel when that decision has been made if they consider it not to be in accordance with the protocol.
In their submissions to the panel in regard to the application, both Team New Zealand and
Britannia opposed it being granted. The entry from the New York Yacht Club cited safety concerns in their bid to be excluded from the regatta in Jeddah. The New York Yacht Club noted the US State Department had issued an advisory warning Americans to reconsider travel to Saudi Arabia due to heightened threats and said the nature of the regatta would make security difficult to guarantee.
The New York Yacht Club first voiced concerns about competing in the region when Jeddah was being considered to host the America’s Cup, before Barcelona was selected. The panel also warned of confidentiality breaches around the initial appeal. The 21-page application document was leaked to mainstream New Zealand media in mid-May, being cast into the public eye while the matter was being revised. All competitors denied leaking the documents. The panel referred to it as a “blatant breach of the protocol” and warned it would take more stringent steps regarding future breaches, with several penalties available for them to hand out stated in the protocol.
American Magic were ordered to pay costs of almost $26,000 for this initial case.
The regatta in Jeddah will be the second preliminary event of the America’s Cup cycle, following the event in Vilanova i La Geltru, Spain, in mid-September. The two regattas will be contested on the scaled-down AC40s, before a third preliminary regatta held in Barcelona next August will see the teams race their AC75s for the first time this cycle.
Ex Herald. Nothing new.Can anyone of the Kiwi Commenters here get behind this paywall:
@Sailbydate, where are you when I need you
Team NZ to make big decision after Am Cup rival's Saudi appeal rejected
American Magic want to be excused from competing in Jeddah later this year.
American Magic’s appeal to forgo the America’s Cup preliminary regatta in Saudi Arabia has been dismissed by the arbitration panel. The team cited serious safety concerns as they looked to skip the regatta to be sailed in Jeddah from November 30 to December 3.
All six teams challenging for the America’s Cup in Barcelona next year are required to compete in the preliminary regattas and, in their decision, the three-man independent arbitration panel ruled the issue was out of their jurisdiction. American Magic have the right to appeal the initial application being dismissed, but the panel stated it “would need convincing to deviate from its current position”. American Magic’s request will instead come down to the Defender (Team New Zealand) and Challenger of Record (Britannia) to decide on. The arbitration panel stated that American Magic may make a new application to the panel when that decision has been made if they consider it not to be in accordance with the protocol.
In their submissions to the panel in regard to the application, both Team New Zealand and
Britannia opposed it being granted. The entry from the New York Yacht Club cited safety concerns in their bid to be excluded from the regatta in Jeddah. The New York Yacht Club noted the US State Department had issued an advisory warning Americans to reconsider travel to Saudi Arabia due to heightened threats and said the nature of the regatta would make security difficult to guarantee.
The New York Yacht Club first voiced concerns about competing in the region when Jeddah was being considered to host the America’s Cup, before Barcelona was selected. The panel also warned of confidentiality breaches around the initial appeal. The 21-page application document was leaked to mainstream New Zealand media in mid-May, being cast into the public eye while the matter was being revised. All competitors denied leaking the documents. The panel referred to it as a “blatant breach of the protocol” and warned it would take more stringent steps regarding future breaches, with several penalties available for them to hand out stated in the protocol.
American Magic were ordered to pay costs of almost $26,000 for this initial case.
The regatta in Jeddah will be the second preliminary event of the America’s Cup cycle, following the event in Vilanova i La Geltru, Spain, in mid-September. The two regattas will be contested on the scaled-down AC40s, before a third preliminary regatta held in Barcelona next August will see the teams race their AC75s for the first time this cycle.
dg_sailingfan
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Thanks! What I do not understand: Why does AM think it is unsafe to sail in Saudi-Arabia when the F1 had their Grand Prix there in March of this year without any incident. The Americans need to grow up!
Thanks! What I do not understand: Why does AM think it is unsafe to sail in Saudi-Arabia when the F1 had their Grand Prix there in March of this year without any incident. The Americans need to grow up!
Sailbydate
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Just being disruptive, is my guess. AC, ETNZ and all.
