Khashoggi Memorial Cup

[See Level]

These guys look ready to give it a go, plus they're already there at our airbase.
What's the issue? 🤔

 

[Monkey]

It would only be a PR disaster if anyone except approx. 6 forum posters cared about it.

Not even close to true. If one team bails over human rights issues, it exposes every participating sponsor that plays along to a world of bad PR. Just as a silly example, imagine Prada trying to explain to women that they don’t care about them. AM has been polite and stuck to the security issue for now. It’s true that only about 6 forum posters give a shit about the AC, but everyone seems to love throwing a tantrum over seemingly harmless sponsorships these days. Bud Light tried to do a nice thing, now everyone’s mad at them.

Grant’s best solution is for AM to quietly not participate. The noisier AM gets, the worse everyone else looks. He has a get out of jail card (the travel advisory), he’d be a moron not to use it.

 

[dogwatch]

The very bottom club in the bottom of the 4 divisions of the British football league this year is Rochdale AFC. Their turnover was more than that last year. And their average attendance was less than 3000. So in world sport terms, I think almost nobody is about right

Not really sure about your parallel between the annual turnover a minor football club and what it is worth for a city to pay for hosting of a 4 day regatta. However FWIW the financial outlook of Rochdale AFC doesn't seem entirely rosy. A recent piece. https://gameofthepeople.com/tag/rochdale-afc/

 

[dogwatch]

I could see it worth being worth at least something to Cagliari and LR/Prada for promotional reasons. They almost had an event in the last cycle too. The problem there now was with govt budgets and the schedules of the payments; apparently Jeddah is willing to just pay up front, no hassles, and so GD is going after that despite the problems.

I don't doubt it is worth at least something. I'm mostly questioning figures being thrown around as though we actually know what they are. The only figure I concretely know is what Plymouth paid for the last SailGP held there, because under UK law the city is required to publish outgoings over a certain threshold. Don't ask for a link, it is necessary to trawl spreadsheets but I once did. The total figure was less than an order of magnitude less than $6M.

 

[Kiwing]

So half a mill?

 

[dogwatch]

Ex Herald. Nothing new......

In their submissions to the panel in regard to the application, both Team New Zealand and Britannia opposed it being granted.

Procedural objections, same as the AP.

I can't say I am thrilled about applications to the AP being secret-squirrel before it has opined. In what way is that good for the event or the sport? What exactly would ETNZ have said about that in the days of LE/RC or EB?

 

[Stingray~]

don't doubt it is worth at least something. I'm mostly questioning figures being thrown around as though we actually know what they are.

Italian press covered the numbers in explicit detail, including with quotes by publicly elected officials.

 

[Forourselves]

Correct insofar as the COR/D has to first decide whether to excuse AM from the Jeddah event. The panel confirmed that AM can file another application seeking relief from the panel in the event the COR/D refuse to excuse AM from the Jeddah event.

The panel dismissed AM's first application on procedural grounds, so that application is done. There is nothing left to fail.

As to your last sentence, you are confusing AM's application (filed on May 3) with the reply AM filed on May 23. AM apparently raised (for the first time) a number of arguments in it's May 23 reply claiming that the arbitration panel did not need to wait for the COR/D to make a decision before the arbitration panel could consider AM's application. (See 05/04/23 Decision at paras. 16-18.). The panel said that AM needed to raise those new arguments (first found in AM' reply) in a new petition (and not in a reply to the old now-dismissed petition) (see 05/04/23 Decision at para 41), and noted for AM that the panel was not inclined to agree with AM's new arguments that the panel could hear the matter before the COR/D first made a decision (but did invite AM to try again).

Exactly. The first case was dismissed because it was not in accordance with the protocol, so that failed. They can file another which is also bound to fail as the arbitration panel are not likely to change their minds. So AM will be going to Jeddah or face penalties outlined in the protocol they signed.

 

[NeedAClew]

And if anything bad happens to ANYONE in Jeddah around or during the regatta, it's on "New Zealand" as personified by corrupt moneywhore Grant Dalton, just Brokeass Team NZ, and Regrettable Yacht Squadron.
Sharp dealing with that tdb agreement. Did Dalton know all along it would be Jeddah?

 

[dogwatch]

Any links please?

 

[Forourselves]

And if anything bad happens to ANYONE in Jeddah around or during the regatta, it's on "New Zealand" as personified by corrupt moneywhore Grant Dalton, just Brokeass Team NZ, and Regrettable Yacht Squadron.
Sharp dealing with that tdb agreement. Did Dalton know all along it would be Jeddah?

 

[shebeen]

In English...

America's Cup: Arb Panel dismisses American Magic request to be excused from Jeddah regatta

The three man Arbitration Panel has dismissed the Application by the New York Yacht Club's team American Magic to be excused from participation in the second Preliminary Event, part of the 37th America's Cup.

www.sail-world.com

wonder how much effort AM put into this? Maybe just a bit of shits and giggles to waste GD's time? EUR14k cheap at the price

 

[barfy]

wonder how much effort AM put into this? Maybe just a bit of shits and giggles to waste GD's time? EUR14k cheap at the price

That's it exactly! A clever plot to fixate 6 SA posters so they don't discover the key to the cup with their ortho photographs and pesky yellow lines.

 

[Sailing Fan]

wonder how much effort AM put into this? Maybe just a bit of shits and giggles to waste GD's time? EUR14k cheap at the price

Their lawyers were charged $28000.00, for the privilege of being redirected to the COR/defender with their petition.

 

[Sailing Fan]

What if anything do the rules say about who can sail the AC40 in these regattas and when they had to be named?

Can teams send other than their AC75 Cup teams?

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...and can teams continue to sail in Barcelona while the Preliminary Events are underway? It's an interesting point.

 

[dogwatch]

Their lawyers were charged $28000.00, for the privilege of being redirected to the COR/defender with their petition.

Not quite. The team was charged.

 

[enigmatically2]

...and can teams continue to sail in Barcelona while the Preliminary Events are underway? It's an interesting point.

Protocol 24.2 (d) "
No Competitor shall sail either an AC75 Yacht or an AC40 Yacht (whether or not in
Class Rule compliant mode) from 1 July 2023 to 31 October 2023 except at the Match
Venue. This prohibition shall not apply to any Preliminary Regatta held during this
period outside the Match Venue.

So LR and Ineos can keep sailing their LEQ12s it seems, but everyone else has to stop?

 

[Sailing Fan]

And if anything bad happens to ANYONE in Jeddah around or during the regatta, it's on "New Zealand" as personified by corrupt moneywhore Grant Dalton, just Brokeass Team NZ, and Regrettable Yacht Squadron.
Sharp dealing with that tdb agreement. Did Dalton know all along it would be Jeddah?

I think this regatta could well be a precursor for AC38 (assuming etnz win) and that an offer has perhaps, already been made to that effect.

 

[dogwatch]

I think this regatta could well be a precursor for AC38 (assuming etnz win) and that an offer has perhaps, already been made to that effect.

Could be. We can be pretty confident it won’t be in AUK. Bridges have been burned at both ends.

 

[Sailing Fan]

Not quite. The team was charged.

Yes, you're right of course.