Kyle Rittenhouse trial

Fakenews

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He went there to act as a medic and protect property.  The prosecution made that clear in their presentation.
they show video of him asking people if they need help.  There is an interview where He explained that he brought his gun to protect himself.  All of which were hours before the crazy guy chased him down and tried to take his gun.  Even the prosecution. Witness stated he was only acting nervous not threatening.    Lots of video of him around protestors earlier with zero signs that he went there to kill anyone. 
I’m guessing you are not watching 
LOL.  
 

 

Raz'r

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Who gets to hide behind the 2nd Amendment?  Right wingers or left wingers?  That’s the problem with gun nutters, no one can decide who the bad guys are.

Didn’t the guy with the skateboard get killed?  Maybe he feared for his life when a deranged gun nutter showed up with an AR15.
I think that's the nut of it. We don't have any way of dealing with "Self defense" when it's because you're armed. 

If Kyle had been wandering through the crowd, no issue. 

Instead, he was there with a weapon and perceived as a threat by the crowd. And there ain't no intelligence in a crowd that's bordering on a riot. 

We don't have any laws to deal with this situation except that because he showed up armed, people are dead. Now, politics aside, that sounds a lot like manslaughter. 


 
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the unlawful killing of a human being without express or implied malice.





 

Raz'r

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From what I understand, he fired twice before Kyle returned fire. It wasn’t a case of spotting someone with a gun and opening fire preemptively.
From what I can tell, a lot of folks are ok with duels in the streets.

 

Fakenews

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Who gets to hide behind the 2nd Amendment?  Right wingers or left wingers?  That’s the problem with gun nutters, no one can decide who the bad guys are.

Didn’t the guy with the skateboard get killed?  Maybe he feared for his life when a deranged gun nutter showed up with an AR15.
The best thing to do when a Nazi thug is shooting at an AR 15 is to close the gap because a weapon of war like that is tough to survive if the Nazi achieves stand off distance.  The heroic skateboarder almost neutralized the threat.  The jury needs to finish the job so no more die at his hands.

 

Fakenews

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Don’t need extensive training to render first aid.  He worked as a life guard so some medic training 

No need The police are on video record thanking the militia guys for being there.  
 
I’d like to point out that there a non zero # of Nazis among the ranks of the police.  Some of them for example stood aside when the treason isn’t attacked the Capitol.  Others obstructed justice after the fact.  So the fact that a Nazi cop would thank a Nazi doesn’t carry much weight with me.

 
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Raz'r

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So, in this case, the skateboarder was exercising the right of self-defense

Defined again:

Sometimes self-defense is justified even if the perceived aggressor didn’t actually mean the perceived victim any harm. What matters in these situations is whether a “reasonable person” in the same situation would have perceived an immediate threat of physical harm. The concept of the “reasonable person” is a legal conceit that is subject to differing interpretations in practice, but it is the legal system’s best tool to determine whether a person’s perception of imminent danger justified the use of protective force.

And in the act of exercising the right of self defense, gave Kyle the right to self-defense.

What a mess.

 

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Other than our constitutional obligation to provide council, there is zero reason to defend the behavior of a nut who brings a weapon to a crowd. 
The asshole with the machine gun should have been exterminated a long time ago. 

 

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The defense attorney comes across as more informed than the prosecutor.  Just got the police witness to say you never let someone take away your weapon because it can be used against you.  Plus that getting hit In the head is always a concern.  More for the self defense case. 

 

The Joker

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Other than our constitutional obligation to provide council, there is zero reason to defend the behavior of a nut who brings a weapon to a crowd. 
The asshole with the machine gun should have been exterminated a long time ago. 
Who had a machine gun?   

 

Raz'r

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The defense attorney comes across as more informed than the prosecutor.  Just got the police witness to say you never let someone take away your weapon because it can be used against you.  Plus that getting hit In the head is always a concern.  More for the self defense case. 
Well, local DA versus finest money can buy. Wouldn’t expect it to go well for the DA 

 

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Other than our constitutional obligation to provide council, there is zero reason to defend the behavior of a nut who brings a weapon to a crowd. 
The asshole with the machine gun should have been exterminated a long time ago. 
You think we should preemptively "exterminate" people?

 

The Joker

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Some thing I never heard until now. Kyle yelled three times at Rosenbaum “I’m friendly,  friendly, friendly “.  Detective just testified that Rosenbaum continued to chase him despite the I’m friendly plea  

 

Fakenews

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Some thing I never heard until now. Kyle yelled three times at Rosenbaum “I’m friendly,  friendly, friendly “.  Detective just testified that Rosenbaum continued to chase him despite the I’m friendly plea  
There is no such thing as a friendly Nazi.

 

jerseyguy

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One of the defense attorneys is a local guy. Used to own a J/35 back in the 1980s.  Back when my son was in high school the guy gave my son, and his friend who was racing with him, his business card. Told the kids it was their get out of jail free card. Single use only.  He has since become the preferred defense attorney among the druggies, gangbangers and other felonious creatures.

 

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There is no such thing as a friendly Nazi.
WTF? This trial isn't alleging that Kyle wore a white hood and hunted black men, persecuted jews, threw firebombs into churches. I don't have a clue if Kyle would support an authoritarian right wing government.

Just stop.

We don't have any laws to deal with this situation except that because he showed up armed, people are dead. Now, politics aside, that sounds a lot like manslaughter. 


 
Defined:







the unlawful killing of a human being without express or implied malice.
Please tell us why Kyle shooting people who were charging him while expressing malice with words and actions, bearing & using weapons is "unlawful." When did Kyle give up his right to self defense?

I think his self centered actions instigated a disaster, but the problem isn't with his actions while being attacked by folks who were out despite a curfew, it is with the blasé and supportive reaction of police to his presence there with a gun. The problem is that Kyle was able to open carry a long gun during a curfew during a riot because he was white. The problem is that leftists are setting themselves up for failure trying to paint this kid as the problem.

This kid is as much the victim of racism, lax gun laws and social myopia as the misguided idiots who went to a gunfight with a plastic baggie, a skateboard and a farcical attitude about the proper time and place for using a handgun, and how to use their gun. These idiots charged a long gun with a sense of entitlement and moral righteousness which fools are echoing here in a vain attempt to prove to themselves that right makes might.

You're neither if you keep arguing this was murder. You're just another idiot charging a long gun. 

 
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Raz'r

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WTF? This trial isn't alleging that Kyle wore a white hood and hunted black men, persecuted jews, threw firebombs into churches. I don't have a clue if Kyle would support an authoritarian right wing government.

Just stop.

Please tell us why Kyle shooting people who were charging him while expressing malice with words and actions, bearing & using weapons is "unlawful." When did Kyle give up his right to self defense?

I think his self centered actions instigated a disaster, but the problem isn't with his actions while being attacked by folks who were out despite a curfew, it is with the blasé and supportive reaction of police to his presence there with a gun. The problem is that Kyle was able to open carry a long gun during a curfew during a riot because he was white. The problem is that leftists are setting themselves up for failure trying to paint this kid as the problem.

This kid is as much the victim of racism, lax gun laws and social myopia as the misguided idiots who went to a gunfight with a plastic baggie, a skateboard and a farcical attitude about the proper time and place for using a handgun, and how to use their gun. These idiots charged a long gun with a sense of entitlement and moral righteousness which fools are echoing here in a vain attempt to prove to themselves that right makes might.

You're neither if you keep arguing this was murder. You're just another idiot charging a long gun. 
The idiots who charged may have been in fear due to the fact that someone is carrying a gun. In a stand-your-ground state (wisconsin is not) that would be enough to shoot the guy. In this case, one could make an argument that the skateboard dude was afraid and exercising self defense, which made Kyle afraid and he exercised HIS self defense, ending up with a dead guy.  All because Kyle chose to bring a gun.

You said it yourself above. No Kyle in a crowd with a gun after curfew, no one dies. Kyle's decision led to a death(s). That's homocide, but maybe justified. 

I don't think we have laws to deal with this since we're in love with guns. Would be pretty simple anywhere else.

(Note, no where have I brought up politics of Kyle or the dead, or race)

 
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