Larry's AC50 Circus

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"FIFY" .......seems both modern and accurate

 
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Tornado-Cat

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Ernesto Bertarelli (coming from anther thread but relevant to this one):

"Come on, now the Cup is a game for architects and engineers, with sailors in the background. And with the risk of investing a huge sum in a very high boat.

"One could see the previous Cup had a direction to follow. You could spend the same amount to develop the project, but with less risk of making a mistake. Take the British and Ben Ainslie in the last Cup: the best sailor in the world, but had a wrong boat. Game over". 

Bertarelli confirmed he would have returned to the America's Cup for the next regatta had the foiling catamarans been retained.

"Yes, I would have participated. Switzerland now also has sailors to do it without problems of nationality rules. Changing boats has lost at least two teams, one is Alinghi (the other, Sweden's Artemis Racing). They would have had six from the beginning. And it would have been easy to go up to eight."

The question is to know if he  instead participates to the AC50 event...

 

45Roller

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Ernesto Bertarelli (coming from anther thread but relevant to this one):

"Come on, now the Cup is a game for architects and engineers, with sailors in the background. And with the risk of investing a huge sum in a very high boat.

"One could see the previous Cup had a direction to follow. You could spend the same amount to develop the project, but with less risk of making a mistake. Take the British and Ben Ainslie in the last Cup: the best sailor in the world, but had a wrong boat. Game over". 

Bertarelli confirmed he would have returned to the America's Cup for the next regatta had the foiling catamarans been retained.

"Yes, I would have participated. Switzerland now also has sailors to do it without problems of nationality rules. Changing boats has lost at least two teams, one is Alinghi (the other, Sweden's Artemis Racing). They would have had six from the beginning. And it would have been easy to go up to eight."

The question is to know if he  instead participates to the AC50 event...
Are Alinghi in the XSS or the GC32 this year?

 

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Spoiled rich kid having a tantrum....ignore the sad sack - if he thought cat's in the AC was such a brilliant idea, what has he been doing sucking his thump through the last 2 editions?

And zero acknowledgement of ETNZ's role in the foiling development he thinks so much of

Then

America's Cup now a game for engineers, I won't be there (again)....

followed by

I’m part of a group of owners, on Lake Geneva, who are building a 35’ catamaran with T-foils and a computer run flight controller – it’s going to be fantastic. We’re only at the beginning, there is a huge margin for development.” 

:lol:

as for this, well let's hope it was just 'lost in translation'

they would like to get on the flying catamarans like the Moths and then the Nacra 15. 

Waaaaaa!....back to the lake

 
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shanghaisailor

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Ernesto Bertarelli (coming from anther thread but relevant to this one):

"Come on, now the Cup is a game for architects and engineers, with sailors in the background. And with the risk of investing a huge sum in a very high boat.

"One could see the previous Cup had a direction to follow. You could spend the same amount to develop the project, but with less risk of making a mistake. Take the British and Ben Ainslie in the last Cup: the best sailor in the world, but had a wrong boat. Game over". 

Bertarelli confirmed he would have returned to the America's Cup for the next regatta had the foiling catamarans been retained.

"Yes, I would have participated. Switzerland now also has sailors to do it without problems of nationality rules. Changing boats has lost at least two teams, one is Alinghi (the other, Sweden's Artemis Racing). They would have had six from the beginning. And it would have been easy to go up to eight."

The question is to know if he  instead participates to the AC50 event...
And when, pray tell, has the America's Cup ever been anything else other than a design contest first (architects and engineers) Mr Bertarelli?

Whether all the way back when challengers like Dunraven, Sopwith and Lipton had to race an inferior inshore design because they had to sail across the Atlantic to get there or when it was BenBob's keel and Schnakenberg''s sails against Connor's 3 rating certificates or the cyclors in the last edition the America's Cup has always been a design competition first.

If in doubt he should read "An Absorbing Interest" (he can afford a copy) where he would see that the AC, right back to when it was "The One Hundred Pound Cup" has been as much about innovative design as anything else. 

And as far as his comments about changes losing two teams well it wouldn't be the first time and wont be the last and would the NYYC, guardians of the damn thing for 132 years  have come back to play if it hadn't reverted to a monohull.

Nah - wasn't what he wanted so he has to blame someone!

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Indio

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And when, pray tell, has the America's Cup ever been anything else other than a design contest first (architects and engineers) Mr Bertarelli?

Whether all the way back when challengers like Dunraven, Sopwith and Lipton had to race an inferior inshore design because they had to sail across the Atlantic to get there or when it was BenBob's keel and Schnakenberg''s sails against Connor's 3 rating certificates or the cyclors in the last edition the America's Cup has always been a design competition first.

If in doubt he should read "An Absorbing Interest" (he can afford a copy) where he would see that the AC, right back to when it was "The One Hundred Pound Cup" has been as much about innovative design as anything else. 

And as far as his comments about changes losing two teams well it wouldn't be the first time and wont be the last and would the NYYC, guardians of the damn thing for 132 years  have come back to play if it hadn't reverted to a monohull.

Nah - wasn't what he wanted so he has to blame someone!

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Hard to be reasonable with the AC33 cheat with his fake Challenger CNEV...

 

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It's a bummer EB isn't coming out to play as all competitions benefit from a pantomime villain. It would be easier to dismiss his points were it not for other former teams staying away, notably Artemis. Of course the AC is a design competition and a sailing competition and there's a spectrum of possible emphasis there. AC35 pushed it towards sailing competition and most seem to think that worked out well, albeit the fastest boat won anyway. AC36 is firmly emphasising the design aspect and in that EB is correct,.

 

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^ So once they are designed, sailing skill will play no part....good to know. There was me thinking these might be about the trickiest things since the first log.

So they can just take volunteers off the dock before each race - think of the savings!

 

shanghaisailor

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Hard to be reasonable with the AC33 cheat with his fake Challenger CNEV...
Well he lost that one and in retrospect the Chinese Challenge (China Team by Le Defi) from Qingdao International Yacht Club which was formed (the club that is) 5 days before the challenge was announced and when the club had no members, no boats and had never run a race, let alone "a regatta on an arm of the sea" so CNEV wasn't the first time disregard was shown for the deed of gift by Mr Berteralli or his representatives.

There was  actually had a totally Deed of Gift compliant challenge from Shanghai which withdrew at 1545 (Swiss time)  on the final day for entry because although the entry money was secured the club and team were not 100% certain of raising enough finds to do justice to the club, the team or - and most of all The Cup. I was told that had the challenge not been withdrawn then China Team's entry would not have been accepted. Kind of says it all how desperate they were for an entry for China. And how did they do? They were not just last, they were very last and in the process did a disservice to the development of sailing here.

Having said that, his Coutts/Butterworth challenge WAS a class act.

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It's a bummer EB isn't coming out to play as all competitions benefit from a pantomime villain. It would be easier to dismiss his points were it not for other former teams staying away, notably Artemis. Of course the AC is a design competition and a sailing competition and there's a spectrum of possible emphasis there. AC35 pushed it towards sailing competition and most seem to think that worked out well, albeit the fastest boat won anyway. AC36 is firmly emphasising the design aspect and in that EB is correct,.
Quadrilateral jibs through metal masts and electonics to winged keels, if not seen for the first time on AC boats certainly had their development enhanced or accelerated. Some designs were improvements and other not quite so (thinking of Mariner there which reportedly led to the Ted Turner statement that "Even a turd is tapered")

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"Core Builders Composites Ltd are seeking applicants for a Grand Prix yacht racing program"

https://www.seek.co.nz/job/36396679?type=standard

I wonder what this could be @sclarke probably just an Optimist racing programme job right?
This listing is awesome. You gotta know really technical shit related to electrical/electronics for auto racing and the military ... but training is available. I'd like to know what kind of training the person who meets all the qualifications needs?!? Where to find the loo? 

-Electrical/Electronics knowledge (preferable)

-Testing and fault finding of wiring harnesses, electrical and electronics components

-Knowledge in Raychem systems and manufacturing of motorsport looms to a high standard

-Ability to work with Autosport and military connectors and harnesses

-The ability to work under pressure is essential

-Must be dedicated, hardworking and willing to learn where necessary

Training can be given on site

 

Forourselves

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"Core Builders Composites Ltd are seeking applicants for a Grand Prix yacht racing program"

https://www.seek.co.nz/job/36396679?type=standard

I wonder what this could be @sclarke probably just an Optimist racing programme job right?
Could it be this?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-newspapers/central-north-island/sport/sport-region-6459/104391468/Team-New-Zealand-are-building-their-own-boats-for-the-first-time

"Core Builder Composites, the Warkworth-based company owned by Larry Ellison's Oracle Racing, made hardware for all of the teams in the last America's Cup, including the Kiwis. Shoebridge says Team NZ hopes to involve Core Builders in this edition as well"

 

Indio

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Could it be this?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-newspapers/central-north-island/sport/sport-region-6459/104391468/Team-New-Zealand-are-building-their-own-boats-for-the-first-time

"Core Builder Composites, the Warkworth-based company owned by Larry Ellison's Oracle Racing, made hardware for all of the teams in the last America's Cup, including the Kiwis. Shoebridge says Team NZ hopes to involve Core Builders in this edition as well"
And why not? All part of the economic benefits of the AC, generating GST and PAYE and jobs..

 




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