Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

[Wess]

Oh wow. If all the posts are gone too there has to be a ton of old Laser threads that would be funny as shit to re-read.

"Who on earth are they all talking to?" :blink:

I hope he at least gets a kick out of that.

So now I actually have to go to Texas for Easter brunch and race for some stupid bunny so to hear his opinions? Should have known he would find a way to get his hands on my money.

Come back Gouv. Find a creative sock and come back. You know you want to respond to that last line.

But seriously, I hope all is well.

 

[Dex Sawash]

Too bad gouv flounced. I don't dare look at PA to see the tragedy, that is one grim board. The idea that someone you disagree with about politics needs to be damaged and/or engaged with outside the board is batshit insane.

 

[torrid]

Gone since 2014. Maybe that's just one of his sock-puppets.

 

[inhiding]

I was gonna defend the Gouv until I read some of his PA posts.

Now, I don't think so.

 

[Bruce Hudson]

Gouv doesn't strike me as someone who gives up. This won't be the first time he's deleted his posts etc.

Don't know what's behind all the PA stuff. Ancient history? I think people are better defined by their actions, less what they talk about or their social aptitude.

There seems to be some movement on Kirby.

 

[poopie pants]

Gone since 2014. Maybe that's just one of his sock-puppets.

this thread went quiet. looks like he and all his many many many many socks went back to duh old folks home

 

[JimC]

Fair bit of action on the court docs last week. Most of it hasn't made the public list I look at yet and quite a bit is sealed - ie won't be public.

*IF* I read the followig correctly it seems Quarter Moon's attempt at the last second to claim that actually they don't make Lasers anyway so you can't sue us may have failed at least in part.

ORDER. The motion to amend/correct answer (Doc. #[173]) is GRANTED in part and DENIED in part. The motion is granted insofar as it seeks without objection to add an affirmative defense. The motion is denied for lack of good cause shown insofar as it untimely seeks to amend a factual admission in response to Paragraph 7 of the complaint. Signed by Judge Jeffrey A. Meyer on 1/21/2015. (Norman, D.)

 

[torrid]

This whole thing kind of played out like his time as class secretary. Fine, I'm just going to take my toys and go home. Everyone's a meanie. However were I still in Texas, I would gladly attend his Easter regatta.

 

[Flyby]

The price of charter boats for the Laser Worlds doubled, foils don't come with the charter (a first?) and the Standard Men can now bring their own foils (another first?). Welcome to the future of Laser sailing. I suppose it's one way to help defray LP and ILCA's legal costs? Bend over class members, here it comes.

2015 Laser Standard Men – World Championship

Monday 29 June 2015 - Wednesday 8 July 2015

Charter Boats

This is a supplied boat, mandatory charter regatta. Charter boats will be supplied by LaserPerformance.

The boats will be 2015 Laser XD models, supplied on a launching trolley as a hull with self-bailer, XD padded hiking strap or equivalent, spars (mast top section, appropriate bottom section and a boom), mainsheet side cleats, control line deck block fitting with blocks and control line deck cleat fitting with cleats.

Sailors will have the option to provide their own foils (centerboard and rudder) or charter a set for use during the regatta.

Charter boat and foils fees:

Regatta (29 June – 8 July, 10 days)

· Charter boat: US$1250

· Charter foils: US$250

·

Pre-Regatta (22 June – 29 June, 7 days)

· Pre-Regatta Charter boat: US$500

· Pre-Regatta Charter foils: US$175

2015 Laser Masters – World Championships

Friday 10 July 2015 - Saturday 18 July 2015

Charter Boats

A limited supply of 160 charter boats will be supplied by LaserPerformance. Charters will be allocated to sailors based on membership numbers of the national Laser Class Association and applications received from each country.

The boats will be 2015 Laser XD models used in one previous regatta, supplied on a launching trolley as a hull with self-bailer, XD padded hiking strap or equivalent, spars (mast top section, appropriate bottom section and a boom), mainsheet side cleats, control line deck block fitting with blocks and control line deck cleat fitting with cleats.

Sailors will have the option to provide their own foils (centerboard and rudder) or charter a set for use during the regatta.

Charter boat and foils fees:

Regatta (10 – 18 July, 10 days)

· Charter boat: US$1250

· Charter foils: US$250

 

[couchsurfer]

.

...........blah,blah 2 good 2 be true. :mellow:

........why not actually do what you say for once? <_<

 

[Hobie Dog]

Thanks for the post. Clears things up as I never really followed the shit fight posts anyways.

If Texas was not so far from Maryland I'd join you guys for your Easter regatta this year. Maybe some year...

 

[poopie pants]

 

[JimC]

Lots more documents posted last couple of days, including several for summary judgement.

I am not a lawyer, esp not a Us lawyer, but AIUI...

This is the expected next stage of the game AAIU. first we had the rash of claims, most of which would have been wildly speculative on both sides.

Next, which has just finished, we had discovery, which was where each side had to produce evidence and show it to the others lawyers. Very rarely at that stage a claim might get dropped because it was quite clearly nonsense.

Now I think we have the summary judgement phase in which both sides go to the judge and say 'there's no evidence at all for some of the claims throw them out'. Some of the really extreme allegations might get chucked out at this point.

At the same time the lawyers are also reading all the documents and getting some idea of what might have gone on, and will probably start negotiating for a settlement when they get an idea of how the trial might pan out.

All this will take time so we will probably see the lawyers agree for the trial to be postponed in order to have more time to bill the clients.

So don't get excited about summary judgements for one side or another, doesn't mean anyone's going to win based on them, just some froth bring blown off.

 

[ojfd]

A lot of interesting details could be found in those court documents, if one reads them carefully. Like this one, for example:

To the extent that Mr.Kirby s renamed Laser is a competitor (the Kirby Torch ), he claims that not a single Kirby Torch has been built.

According to Mr. Kirby, it is nothing more than an idea at this point. Mr. Kirby stated that there is no torch and that it does not exist. p. 48, 51, Kirby Depo (Ex. 2, Allentuch Declaration).

Docket No. 187, pages 26 and 27.
What do you say now, Torch class members? A belt and a T-shirt?

 

[Wess]

A lot of interesting details could be found in those court documents, if one reads them carefully. Like this one, for example:

To the extent that Mr.Kirby s renamed Laser is a competitor (the Kirby Torch ), he claims that not a single Kirby Torch has been built.

According to Mr. Kirby, it is nothing more than an idea at this point. Mr. Kirby stated that there is no torch and that it does not exist. p. 48, 51, Kirby Depo (Ex. 2, Allentuch Declaration).

Docket No. 187, pages 26 and 27.
What do you say now, Torch class members? A belt and a T-shirt?

????

I say

That is EXACTLY what I thought and EXACTLY why I joined the Torch Class.

Do you, ojfd, have done other idea about the Torch??

Careful Mr. Devil, Sir!

You may have snoookered the ILCA and doomed them to hell (err, home) with that CT Laser fleet, but you will not help your grey haired CT brother by noting you joined a class for something he says does not exist.

You folks still frostbiting up there? Looks like you might need some fire and brimstone to beat back the snow and ice!

 

[SM123]

Interesting claim by Kirby in the latest documents:

In October of 2010, ILCA principles traveled to Connecticut at
LaserPerformance’s expense for a two-day meeting at LaserPerformance headquarters in
Norwalk, Connecticut. At that meeting, ILCA and LaserPerformance agreed on a plan to
eliminate Bruce Kirby from the Kirby sailboat business and to render his builder agreements
worthless. The direct result of this scheme hatched at the Norwalk meeting enabled
LaserPerformance to continue building plaqued boats without authorization of Bruce Kirby.

 

[Wavedancer II]

Any solid evidence that this meeting took place?

If the meeting did take place, is there evidence that this plan was hatched?

 

[SM123]

Any solid evidence that this meeting took place?

If the meeting did take place, is there evidence that this plan was hatched?

In my amateur opinion, ILCA has terrible lawyers. With bad lawyers, it's possible that the meeting did take place.

 

[SA’s Sockpuppet Goddess]

Gaaannnnddddtttt??? Wessssss??

Eyepeeler?? Crappy Drawers??

Where are the hourly updates??

 

[Sailing Raceboats]

I always reckon when my kids have gone quiet they are up to something!