Lasers - Applying a Blow Torch

[RMK]

you cantt believe everything you hear!

 

[torrid]

Especially today.

 

[JimC]

Wouldn't really make much practical difference to sailors after the fundamental rule change would it? Ownership/whatever being shuffled around the maze of offshore companies might be a so what.

That might change if your broken legal system were ever to do something, but that seems likely to deliver around 2123 on current progress.

 

[Wess]

It is not April Fools Day today so I will pose my question.

Torbis floating around at Texas Laser events that Laser Oerfirmamce North America either is bring closed down and terminated as an entity, or it is bankrupt.

Does any one of you have real information that would confirm or disputes this rumor??

Gouv - Do you mean LPNA are going to start selling Torches now and hold their world championship regatta in a Texas lake over Easter weekend to help ensure that a grey haired man's heirs can live in comfort for generations to come? Or that LPNA and Gunboat will merge and we will all be sailing carbon Torches with foils and flying around the course??

 

[BobBill]

I am not young enough to know everything, however I do know this:

One thing: Performance Sailing (LPNA) and "the Laser" are two completely different entities!!!

 

[Wess]

A chicken in every pot and a foiling GunTorch-ser in every garage says Trump. Texas votes for the Donald.

 

[Wavedancer II]

If true, it won't make much difference as far as Lasers is concerned because the hulls were imported from the UK (and outfitted in RI). But AFAIK, Sunfishes were (still) built in RI.

Too bad for the workers though, and class support won't get any better either.

 

[Wavedancer II]

Or, is this a 'strategic' move to evade penalties resulting from the Kirby trial?

 

[tillerman]

Sounds like it's time for Bruce Kirby to give the signal to start ramping up production of Torches at that Canadian factory he told us about 3 years ago.

http://www.kirbytorch.com/builders

 

[torrid]

As long as the hulls are made to class spec and the supply meets demand, I wouldn't see this affecting sailors much other than the cost of importing boats from the UK. Which seems to have been happening anyway.

LPNA and LPE may technically be separate entities, but we know where all the purse strings lead back. Sounds like another shell game with dummy corporations.

edit - I hope dealers don't get screwed in the process

 

[BobBill]

There will only be one winner, and some of the losers will still buy these boats.

 

[Bruce Hudson]

The original complaint was filed March 4, 2013, meaning the complaint has been in front of the courts for just over three years. The last court entry was 23 November, 2015.

 

[JimC]

The court system really isn't doing its job...., most small companies and individuals will never be able to afford Justice.

Au contraire, its doing its job of making that part of the executive class that works in the legal profession rich. We mere working people shouldn't fool ourselves that the people in the executive services (law, senior government, banking, directors of large companies etc) are there to serve us. That's very old fashioned thinking.

 

[BobBill]

The court system really isn't doing its job...., most small companies and individuals will never be able to afford Justice.

Au contraire, its doing its job of making that part of the executive class that works in the legal profession rich. We mere working people shouldn't fool ourselves that the people in the executive services (law, senior government, banking, directors of large companies etc) are there to serve us. That's very old fashioned thinking.

It is what it is and so everywhere, isn't it? +1!

 

[Bruno]

I thought the average in this court was 4 years?

 

[RobG]

The court system really isn't doing its job...., most small companies and individuals will never be able to afford Justice.

Au contraire, its doing its job of making that part of the executive class that works in the legal profession rich. We mere working people shouldn't fool ourselves that the people in the executive services (law, senior government, banking, directors of large companies etc) are there to serve us. That's very old fashioned thinking.

That is just a cheap shot.

If the parties were to settle this out of court then lawyers would not make a cent, or at worst very little. Lawyers act entirely on their client's instructions, if the client wishes to pursue legal proceedings then that is their choice and their money to spend. It may be that either or both sides have been advised against their course of action, but have proceeded anyway.

Or are you saying the lawyers are deliberately offering bad advice, or worse colluding, in order to extend the case?

 

[SM123]

The court system really isn't doing its job.

I can understand how process could take more than a few minutes.

There might even be a need to send the parties off to bring information back in the morning.

If a simple dispute about some simple contracts takes three years to resolve, most small companies and individuals will never be able to afford Justice.

Most individuals and small companies cannot afford to use the court system. I deliberately write "court system", because the courts do not deliver justice.

Elsewhere, I have been watching a case that has been going on for 13 years. Even though the party suing had no evidence for some of the claims, it took years before those claims were thrown out.

 

[SimonN]

In this case, it is in LPE's interests for the case to run and run. Isn't that what you do when the other party is as old as BK?

The question is what will happen to the case if it is not resolved in BK's lifetime?

But forget the rights and wrongs of the case itself, how can any civilised country believe it is OK for a court system to take so much time. It simply opens the system to abuse, such as, maybe moving production overseas and wrapping up operations so that there is nothing to claim against......

 

[jeffers]

The court system really isn't doing its job...., most small companies and individuals will never be able to afford Justice.

Au contraire, its doing its job of making that part of the executive class that works in the legal profession rich. We mere working people shouldn't fool ourselves that the people in the executive services (law, senior government, banking, directors of large companies etc) are there to serve us. That's very old fashioned thinking.

That is just a cheap shot.

If the parties were to settle this out of court then lawyers would not make a cent, or at worst very little. Lawyers act entirely on their client's instructions, if the client wishes to pursue legal proceedings then that is their choice and their money to spend. It may be that either or both sides have been advised against their course of action, but have proceeded anyway.

Or are you saying the lawyers are deliberately offering bad advice, or worse colluding, in order to extend the case?

Clearly you have never experienced the Family Court system in the UK which is a license to print money for lawyers (or used to be until the UK Govt cracked down on legal aid for ciivil cases).

 

[BobBill]

And, the losers are....again?