Life after a 45er

[Malaya]

Well, it appears that my lovely 45er will have found a new custodian. So, what’s next? Here are my thoughts; 18-22 feet, trailer ramp launchable, small cabin with 2 bunks, porta potty, ice chest, single burner (jet boil), light weight rig (possibly carbon) that is easy/fast to set up, ability to power with electric out board.

My first boat was a Jean-Jacques Herbulot designed Corsair. This boat was designed in 1954, but to my eye still looks fresh. Now I realize boat design has advanced more than a little over the last 67 years but this design offers many of the features I am seeking. Ok the rudder could be more balanced even designed as a kick up or even in a cassette. The swing keel could be a lifting keel. On the plus side external ballast, mine had foam blocks under the settees. Now of course it is unlikely there are any on the used market and even if there was, we are talking about a 60+ year old plywood-glass boat.

What would be a contemporary boat in this style? Open to SA thoughts

SailboatData.com - CORSAIRE Sailboat

 

[Diarmuid]

Ultimate 20?

 

[estarzinger]

bicycle   

it is hard to downsize and still be satisfied.

 

[Matagi]

I think the Baycruiser 23 from Swallow Yachts is pretty much what you describe:

or the Adventure 19 (a modernized Shrimper 19)

 

[mckenzie.keith]

There is the catalina 22 sport. LOA is almost 24 feet, but the hull is under 22. I think the LOA includes the transom mounted rudder and bow pulpit. I have never sailed one. But it looks like they made an effort to give it some kind of interior.

https://www.catalinayachts.com/sport-series/22-sport/

 

[Panoramix]

Now of course it is unlikely there are any on the used market and even if there was, we are talking about a 60+ year old plywood-glass boat.

The Corsaire is still actively sailed here : https://www.ascorsaire.fr/

Yes, the design might be dated but there are still simple seaworthy boats that are really good trailerable coastal cruisers with a "one design" racing fleet... Thus the class carry on!

 

[Malaya]

Thanks Matigi

I'll look into these

Panoramix

I am aware that Corsaire's are still active, might have to buy one in France to get one. Of have one built here on the West coast.

 

[Jud - s/v Sputnik]

This thread may give you some ideas.  Several different small trailerable boats are discussed:
 

 

[Malaya]

Jud

Thanks for the link. Why are most of the cool boats not were I am. Might have to travel to France, or find a West coast builder. But you are answering my questions re. a modern Corsaire.

 

[Jud - s/v Sputnik]

Jud

Thanks for the link. Why are most of the cool boats not were I am. Might have to travel to France, or find a West coast builder. But you are answering my questions re. a modern Corsaire.

Malaya -Totally agree.  One almost comes to the conclusion that  N. America is stodgy and behind the times .  But, yeah, with a good builder, one could have one of those (Flow 19, par example) without having to ship it from France.  
 

It starts getting into marine plywood stitch and glue territory (there’s nothing wrong with that, of course, but certainly different from the carbon Flow 19), but also check out B and B Yacht Designs.  Good people.  The Bellhaven 19 and Princess Sharpie 22 are  basically sort of cabin versions of their well-known, open Core Sound 17 and 20.  All CNC cut kits, I think. (Which you could buy and hire a builder to build.)  And as long as you’re there, for something sportier, maybe entertain the Class Globe 5.80... (also a CNC kit).

https://bandbyachtdesigns.com/sailboats/

 

[Malaya]

Jud,

Very helpful stuff.

 

[Panoramix]

Thanks Matigi

I'll look into these

Panoramix

I am aware that Corsaire's are still active, might have to buy one in France to get one. Of have one built here on the West coast.

It would probably be better to get one built as probably not that much more expensive than getting a second hand one shipped across the globe plus you don't steal one of our good boats !

Nevertheless, I agree, sailing a Corsaire on your own is not that great as you get an old design without the friendship associated with these old plywood classes, the new boats are really good. I rented a Django 750 this summer (twin keel from the noughties) and doing more than 8 knots on a small boat as soon as the conditions are good is fun! The newer ones are small rockets, I know that it isn't to everybody taste but I would look seriously at scow boats.

 

[TwoLegged]

Seascape 24?  (Now sold as the First 24SE)

 

[Matagi]

Bihan 6,50 might also fit the design brief:

Very interesting one from France 

 

[Jud - s/v Sputnik]

A bit of a radical departure from what the OP listed as the desired boat type, but if I had the money I would LOVE one of these for our (British Columbia) coast.  Saw one sailed by the owner of Liteboat in Race to Alaska two, no, three years ago.  Awesome sailor, awesome rower - could easily travel hundreds and hundreds miles of coast in one of these.  Great design.

https://www.liteboat.com/product/litexp/

 

[TwoLegged]

A bit of a radical departure from what the OP listed as the desired boat type, but if I had the money I would LOVE one of these for our (British Columbia) coast.  Saw one sailed by the owner of Liteboat in Race to Alaska two, no, three years ago.  Awesome sailor, awesome rower - could easily travel hundreds and hundreds miles of coast in one of these.  Great design.

https://www.liteboat.com/product/litexp/

I spent a lot of time studying the Liteboat XP.  At first glance, it seemed to be ideal for my idea of a sail-and-oar-cruiser for the River Shannon, Clew Bay, Roaringwater Bay etc .  Light, v rowable and a Sam Manuard design, built by people who really know how to build strong and light. I really really wanted to like it.

But the more i looked, the more I found problems:

1. no water ballast, so has to be sailed like a dinghy, and will be bouncy at anchor
   
2. no sign of any ability to fit self-steering, or even a bungee cord to the tiller
   
3. the cat rig has no ability to heave to
   
4. where do you store that fully-battened main when it's dropped?
   
5. Dropping that main looks very difficult.  One of the videos showed them tugging it down as the bolt rope jammed in the track.  To my mind, that's dangerous: a boat like this needs to be able to reduce sail fast in a squall.   A balanced lugsail is much safer: just cast off the halyard.
   
6. no mizzen, so no easy way of staying head-to-wind if need.
   
7. no provision for anchoring or sea anchoring.
   
8. cabin so far fwd that the boat would be unbalance if a solo sailor tried to lie down in the cabin while sailing.
   

Overall I was left with the impression of a sporty dinghy with a lid, rather than a cruising dinghy.

So even if Santa was very generous to my boat budget, I think I'd try this out, but reluctantly decide against.

 

[Malaya]

Two Legged, I have to agree this is not the boat I'm after.

 

[andykane]

Seascape 18 might fit the bill

 

[SemiSalt]

The boats from Sage Marine, which were advertised at the top of this forum for a while, look like pretty good examples of their type.

A lot depends on your greed for speed, and whether you are willing to deal with the weight of a heavy keel in order to get large sail area.