Looking for DIAM-24s in NA
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Agreed, the multi 23 had many issues, the dyhedral, the horrible build quality of some, though I never broke my mast I did rip the aka out of the main hull, snapped the rudder and dropped the mast due to an improperly spliced shroud. But man, when grinding hard downwind those hulls are pure magic. Am I wrong to say you could buy 5+ nice beachcats for the price of one similar sized tri? And Multithom, have you tried a furling code 0 or top down system?
Yep, I would chase that F25C upwind and slowly be left behind but turn the corner and whoosh!
MultiThom
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Yah, I converted to a top down system which does work better than the in luff torque rope (Hansen supplied torq rope was garbage). The "spin" isn't really a spin with 55% SMG (20% camber)...probably flatter than most code 0s but still made of nylon. The issue with time to set up, though, is the very long bowsprit that must be mounted while in the parking lot (like a beach cat). Then attaching sheets, furling line securing and lowering and securing to get out of the way--all takes time and typically a couple trips on and off the boat. Nimble is not my middle name.
MultiThom
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There is a Multi23 listed in BAMA ratings (USA7; Flash) with a rating slower than my boat. Only reason I mention it is because I thought a multi 23 would be rated faster--especially given that the weight listed is only 50 pounds heavier than my boat. I suspect it is just a mistake, but maybe you know--can't imagine how that could be right unless it has a short stick.
That multi 23 rating can't be right. Same boat rated minus 35ish in socal, mine was rated a few seconds slower. The one that surprised me is the f22. Why so slow? We have a newly arrived Pulse in my neighborhood. Seems nice, especially being able to keep mast up folded. Thom, can the searail do that? On my m23 and l7 I built short prods and found I can put a code 0 and reacher up there at the same time no problemo. I feel like the long prod might be a tiny bit faster but is somewhat overrated.
MultiThom
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I think it is just a typo in the ratings list. The next boat down is also named Flash and is the same rating--an F242 rated at 69 which is the same listed rating for the Multi23.
The original SeaRail had a shorter prod (like the Pulse). If I ever put a fatter spin on it I'll probably fit a shorter sprit at the same time; but it is "comforting" to some race committees that while the boat is only 19 feet, the overall length with sprit is 24 feet. Race committees are shy about mutlihulls still--we got a bad rep in some clubs since some folks hit committee boats or other competitors. None recently, but yacht race committees have long memories.
MultiThom
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Yes. Install the mast raising lowering gear (just to keep the mast from rotating while you are gone, Tighten the shrouds (gotta do that to fold the boat to get on the trailer anyway), hook the main halyard to the mainsheet. Park the trailer. I suspect you can even hoist it to launch retrieve, but I'm not going to try.
It went to their house for a bit (though they don’t own a tow vehicle) and was listed on eBay. I was in contact trying to make a deal but they only had a small window of time they were available to sell (traveling elsewhere) and it didn’t work out. I couldn’t get a good feel for how much they actually wanted to sell the boat. Because of eBay’s policies I never got a means of truly contacting them, so I can’t offer any follow up. As of last September the boat was still in Ventura.
That's too bad, she was a bit cosmetically challenged with the faded red gelcoat, but I had her pretty bomb-proof (she was even @bhyde proof!). It was just a total PITA to figure out how to dry-sail it.
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A guy came and buffed it all nice and shiny, looked very good. I felt like mine was relatively easy to move around on the trailer. I kept mine mast up and ready to go. It was like a wild pony at the dock and sailing it in tight quarters required lots of attention. Once out in the ocean it was very fun, except when it broke, which was often. The one named Flash seemed very well built though and the original owner, Jay, is a savage who pushed the boat to redline regularly.
Yep, problem up here is no real good place to keep a double wide boat on a trailer.
Flash is the boat that I bought from Mike post Jay. Blew the rig out of her crashing off a wave. Hence the L7 section. Someone should drop a carbon stick in her.
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I’ve found the Achilles heel of trailer sailing a 23’ tri is raising the mast. The L7 aluminum section? Heavy but strong. Did I mention heavy? Ours broke the raising system, did a header into blacktop. Broke the road surface and the mast. (Mundt wound up with the sails.) Replaced it with a rotating Gunter carbon wingmast (Forte). Hoping to try it out next summer when we get finally get moved to San Juan Island. Colligo, Spectra, flying jib, new daggerboard. The original daggerboard broke during the raising fiasco. Hoping the new lower mast (24’ and light, with diamonds) will prove easy to raise for trailer-sailing, and then raise the carbon topmast with the sail attached while in the water. A mountain gusty lake setup for the Salish Sea. Will it be stiff enough to control the leach? Expensive fun.......
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That sounds nutty. I like it!
we almost killed a guy trying to drop that rig with a little a-frame setup. Then Adrenalin came in with this extending tongue trailer with what looked like a ladder mounted on it cross wise, a long ladder, and an electric winch. Mast twice as big+ as mine and it was down in 15 minutes. 2 guys held it from swaying. Sailed with the D Cat Boys and Girls club. Same thing. I don’t recall the specifics but the 2 of us had no issues at all. It’s all in the trailer setup.
Thanks for the sails Amati, believe it or not they're still in my garage, I'm going to use the originals till I can see through em (kinda like my undies). And yes, that L7 mast is a bastard. One of the many reasons I don't trailer the boat much. I sail it a lot but if I had to play with the mast every time... Even with a good system the leverage of a heavy section like that creates some very impressive and potentially dangerous loads. I tore out the base of my mast when it got a tiny bit sideways when lowering. Like a very big, powerful nutcracker. Glad my nuts were sucked up into my belly (due to terror) when the base tore out.
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I’ve been working on a raising/lowering system that one person can do (I can supply pics of some of it if anyone likes), but a lot of the problem is that the mast base and the shroud base need to be in the same plane vertically and horizontally*, which Mike provided with line for the L7, which gets fiddly and tangled and inevitably misplaced. (There was a guy who used a Bipod on his Hobie 18, (IIRR) where the the two poles were attached at the jib tracks, and then to a slide on the bolt hole/mast track, which is what I’ve been toiling away at, except with a Battcar (what could go wrong?). Use the jib halyard for raising with another swiveling bipod for leverage. I’m using big boat Bimini quick release hardware to attach these things.)
*This plane could be inherent with hull/platform design, but more than a few designers (not Mike I might add, since he actually has done it a lot) tend to get a bit macho about that, for some reason. Cabin on a tri might get in the way?
The other tense point is the first/last 6-8 feet off the deck for the tip of the mast- and a lot of hurt backs and torn muscles have been given up in sacrifice at that point. But a vertically adjustable mast crutch can work there. Foot pounds are a bitch. The ladder/trailer/electric winch thing seems like expedition packing at best, and would need some sort of engineering to be reliable. It’s only $$$$, right? And equipment/trailers/vehicles/storage, etc etc......
*This plane could be inherent with hull/platform design, but more than a few designers (not Mike I might add, since he actually has done it a lot) tend to get a bit macho about that, for some reason. Cabin on a tri might get in the way?
The other tense point is the first/last 6-8 feet off the deck for the tip of the mast- and a lot of hurt backs and torn muscles have been given up in sacrifice at that point. But a vertically adjustable mast crutch can work there. Foot pounds are a bitch. The ladder/trailer/electric winch thing seems like expedition packing at best, and would need some sort of engineering to be reliable. It’s only $$$$, right? And equipment/trailers/vehicles/storage, etc etc......
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USA 007
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Use the main/boom as gin pole like the R33. That mast is a beast, yet I could raise and lower it with just one other person helping me.
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