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Looking for DIAM-24s in NA
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Trevor B
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Raced it for the first time last night.
12-16 knots of wind, it was the first time we’ve sailed next to another boat so we learned a lot on the first beat about different modes. And remembered that getting stuck sailing through Kelp is slow... as is stopping to clear said Kelp from the daggerboard
Upwind we’ve got a lot of learning to do but downwind felt really good. Should we point as high as the A-Cats? We were not.
Sorry, no pictures...
12-16 knots of wind, it was the first time we’ve sailed next to another boat so we learned a lot on the first beat about different modes. And remembered that getting stuck sailing through Kelp is slow... as is stopping to clear said Kelp from the daggerboard
Upwind we’ve got a lot of learning to do but downwind felt really good. Should we point as high as the A-Cats? We were not.
Sorry, no pictures...
Rushman
FIIGS
Not sure how I have been mentioned... My experience is limited to Hobie 14,16,18, Farr 9.2, Cole 32 and a 28' trimaran with a carbon wing mast
The trimaran had temporary lowers that restricted the sideways movement from memory, it seemed to work
triple trouble
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It's a shame the Multi 23 is no longer in production. I've sailed it and the Diam 24 and liked botxh but the M23 a little bit more
triple trouble
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I really can't quantify it, just felt better to me at the time.
Funslut
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F18 Sailor
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Target upwind speed for a floating A-Cat in breeze is 16kts, tacking through under 90 degrees. Foiling is more like 21kts tacking through 110 degrees. Yes this is in 15kts of breeze. Less and expect the A to do close to windspeed, tacking between 90 and 100 degrees. Downwind the suffer until you can stay in the wire consistenly, which is really over 13kts of breeze on average, some of the top light guys can make it work in under 10kts of course.
From what I know the Diam sails like a F18 without trap wires and a drier ride. Very nice bit of kit. I hear there is a fleet for sale...
EarthBM
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If 3-5 people in So Fla were to put together a one-design circuit I’d definitely be in.
From my experience , as former floating A cat sailor, maximum target upwind velocity for an A cat is 11 / 12 kt, anything more is close reaching and your VMG fall down ! VPP prediction programs says the same thing.
F18 Sailor
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Patzefran, considering I have GPS velocities off the F18 at 14kts upwind, and not close reaching, AND the A-Cat is a more efficient boat, I would have to say your information is dated. 11-12 was a good target speed for a pure floater with no C-boards and no decksweeper. Both of those change the game and most VPP software isn't going to account properly for foils or a few other details which I won't go into as its a huge can of worms. Please keep in mind that I am reporting GPS numbers from the best sailors in the world on a boat that is now capable of 30kts downwind.
Our target is closer to 13kts upwind on the F18 (14 can happen in a puff briefly, or in really flat water with a top level crew), and 20 kts downwind in 16-18kts of breeze. No, we are not close reaching. Close reaching we accelerate to 16kts+ on the F18. Wave state makes a huge difference on boats like this, in order to achieve these sort of speeds on needs flat water and/or a world class helm who knows instinctively how to play the helm and mainsheet to stay on top of the waves and not stuff it at these sort of speeds.
Our target is closer to 13kts upwind on the F18 (14 can happen in a puff briefly, or in really flat water with a top level crew), and 20 kts downwind in 16-18kts of breeze. No, we are not close reaching. Close reaching we accelerate to 16kts+ on the F18. Wave state makes a huge difference on boats like this, in order to achieve these sort of speeds on needs flat water and/or a world class helm who knows instinctively how to play the helm and mainsheet to stay on top of the waves and not stuff it at these sort of speeds.
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triple trouble
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I've been giving thought of picking up a Diam 24's from the https://www.diam24onedesign.com/en/second-hand/ listings. There are nine at present.
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MultiThom
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If you buy one in the US from them, do you have to pay the VAT to get it shipped? They do seem to be good value given their performance and looks.
Trevor B
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That’s where we found ours.
Bought it without an in person inspection and we’re very happy with what we got.
My understanding is that if VAT was paid by the earlier owner you cannot get it back, but you don’t have to pay any additional, except for sales tax in your own state.
triple trouble
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I will be in London and Paris early July so i intend to visit Diam to look over what is available and go from there. What were your shipping costs if I might ask?
jonoflewis
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Upwind on the Seacart 30 we do 14 or so kn with the wind in the mid to higher teens, which is about what Beowulf V (Half Moon Bay Boys and Girls) does...
