Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36
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Forourselves
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Wait, so when we talk about the "Hull" of the boat, we're only talking about the bow? lol
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Priscilla
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The Francois Chevalier's drawings seems to show that The Hawk is indeed more "similar" to LR than Te Aihe. Please note the quotation marks 
"Similar", not identical . Drawings show that LR is not flat, it's more V shape above the central keel then what it appears in some pictures. Check the drawings, they are really really interesting. Francois Chevalier, Jacques Tagland.
So, what does this mean? Maybe absolutely nothing. I simply think that both LR and ETNZ want to sail bow down and heeled. Martin Fischer confirmed this in an interview. Foils are very different, so maybe they have different reasons for doing that, different sailing philosophies.. The hawk seems more a foils / sails testing platform, so maybe ETNZ boat 2 will probably have a very different hull.
"Similar", not identical . Drawings show that LR is not flat, it's more V shape above the central keel then what it appears in some pictures. Check the drawings, they are really really interesting. Francois Chevalier, Jacques Tagland.So, what does this mean? Maybe absolutely nothing. I simply think that both LR and ETNZ want to sail bow down and heeled. Martin Fischer confirmed this in an interview. Foils are very different, so maybe they have different reasons for doing that, different sailing philosophies.. The hawk seems more a foils / sails testing platform, so maybe ETNZ boat 2 will probably have a very different hull.
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chesirecat
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Interesting article on LR and Ineos together. I've done a fair amount of two boat "testing" in my time and showing you are faster is not always the done thing, plus of course, there are the AC rules. Check out Ineos's main.
https://www.giornaledellavela.com/2020/02/01/luna-rossa-ineos-team-uk-ac-75/?fbclid=IwAR1bLC0UGqog33Q0-8bG5moxXRwb6pxz4-K9bXhfgs_jSQ5MPvffFkxISAM
https://www.giornaledellavela.com/2020/02/01/luna-rossa-ineos-team-uk-ac-75/?fbclid=IwAR1bLC0UGqog33Q0-8bG5moxXRwb6pxz4-K9bXhfgs_jSQ5MPvffFkxISAM
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Thanks chesirecat, Gtrans.
Impressive domination of Luna here, but yes, Ben's main looks strange.
https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=fr&sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.giornaledellavela.com%2F2020%2F02%2F01%2Fluna-rossa-ineos-team-uk-ac-75%2F
Impressive domination of Luna here, but yes, Ben's main looks strange.
https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=fr&sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.giornaledellavela.com%2F2020%2F02%2F01%2Fluna-rossa-ineos-team-uk-ac-75%2F
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chesirecat
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My guess is they've depowered - as shown by the main - to provide instrument proof re the testing rule. Both are not far from the harbour entrance and prob on their way out to their respective areas where it's first arrive first dibs. Got it all the time in the circus.
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terrafirma
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If what we showed you corresponded to reality, that is that Luna Rossa currently has performances far superior to the British , it would mean that the months of silence and mystery of Team Prada have borne fruit.
Obviously partial fruits, since we are talking about boats that we probably won't see in the actual Cup where the number 2 hulls still to be launched will almost certainly race. But it would still be a psychological advantage, as well as a material one, an important one that perhaps even the dismantling of the past few days cannot cancel.
And there is someone who swears he heard Ben Ainslie return to the ground after training with Luna Rossa and exclaim between his teeth: "Oh shit, f..k your majesty".
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Obviously partial fruits, since we are talking about boats that we probably won't see in the actual Cup where the number 2 hulls still to be launched will almost certainly race. But it would still be a psychological advantage, as well as a material one, an important one that perhaps even the dismantling of the past few days cannot cancel.
And there is someone who swears he heard Ben Ainslie return to the ground after training with Luna Rossa and exclaim between his teeth: "Oh shit, f..k your majesty".
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I'm with @chesirecat on this one. Ineos is depowered letting LR pass so as not to be pinged for training together.
Luna Rossa seems quite impressive since now. I have this opinion, I'd like yours mates. Radical hull design, small foils, the pantograph (maybe) boom, bow down heeled sailing. Jimmy at the helm. Fischer designing. Here's what I think: LR and ETNZ are - just now - a lot better than Ineos and AM. Bow down-heeled sailing seems faster and (probably) with better VMG. I remember Oracle-Alinghi DOG Cup. Wing-sailed trimaran vs the cat. I didn't know, at the time, who was gonna win. But i was sure that one design would annihilate the other. That there would be great differences in performance. First time I saw the two AC75 design philosophies, I thought "here we go again". Ok, there are a lot less differences this time, but the concept is the same. If the keeled hull is better than the flat one, as I think it is, Ineos and AM are in trouble. They can change hull design, it's not that the issue, but they'll have half of the time to develop it for the Cup. Half the time, half the experience, with a completely new class of boats, hard to sail. They'll have to change the design phylosophy of the boat, the entire concept. It's not like changing a little detail. Maybe, I repeat, maybe, Mr Ratcliff bought the UK Sail GP team just to win something, in case Sir Ben can't make a serious attempt at the Cup; since he pays him, better use the man to win at least one competition. I don't believe in the "we want to sail the F50 to train for the AC75" thing, i think that the best way to train for the AC75 is sailing an AC75 (or a scaled down model at least). American Magic.. we'll see, but according to the Francois Chevalier - Jacques Tagland drawings (I keep quoting them), AM has the flatter hull, even more than Ineos, and with more wetted surface.
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I agree - losing the rig aside - they're looking good.
Those small foils will be scaring the shit out of everyone else. If they can get them to work - and it seems they can, they're going to be fast. I wouldn't be writing off anyone yet, but if AM turn up to Cagliari without a deck sweeper they'll likely be off the pace. Their development looks behind the others with the exception of Ineos who also look to be lagging.
Including yours truly. General concept yes, but it’s not that Martin Fischer has an outstanding record (Mayfly A-cat, first GC35) when it comes to foils
