Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36
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What I found really interesting about Ineos is that they have a boom on B2. So apparently every team will have s keel / bustle ( Ineos has both) but only LR will be boomless (I assume that LR will stick on their philosophy, crew not switching side and boomless). Every boat is a system composed by hull shape, sails, foils and sailing mode. I think Vascotto is right. You can copy LR hull design (just like AM did) but that hull probably works with a certain sails/foils configuration, and Spithill / Bruni at the helm, with a specific sailing philosophy (low and overheeling?). Will it work with a different sails/foils/sailing configuration ? What do you think mates? And I ask your opinion on another matter : is the boomless option maybe possible only for not switching side crew? ETNZ, AM, Ineos, all with one helmsman, all with the boom. Luna Rossa, double helmsman, (probably) boomless.
Can't wait to see LR B2 anyway.
PS : I hope to deliver as soon as possible the Max Sirena / Bertelli interview
Can't wait to see LR B2 anyway.
PS : I hope to deliver as soon as possible the Max Sirena / Bertelli interview
enigmatically2
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Don't know but I have been wondering whether Ben and Giles will now split helming on RB2
It's possible, but I recall Bruni recently saying that the double helm configuration is not something other teams can copy easily. Apparently it require a lot of training, I don't know if another team can efficiently perform it right now. Maybe ETNZ, that has more time.
The_Alchemist
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It would be a major failure for LR to switch away from their boomless system. When B1 was launched, they bragged about how advanced it was and that it took up about half of the boat development costs.What I found really interesting about Ineos is that they have a boom on B2. So apparently every team will have s keel / bustle ( Ineos has both) but only LR will be boomless (I assume that LR will stick on their philosophy, crew not switching side and boomless). Every boat is a system composed by hull shape, sails, foils and sailing mode. I think Vascotto is right. You can copy LR hull design (just like AM did) but that hull probably works with a certain sails/foils configuration, and Spithill / Bruni at the helm, with a specific sailing philosophy (low and overheeling?). Will it work with a different sails/foils/sailing configuration ? What do you think mates? And I ask your opinion on another matter : is the boomless option maybe possible only for not switching side crew? ETNZ, AM, Ineos, all with one helmsman, all with the boom. Luna Rossa, double helmsman, (probably) boomless.
Can't wait to see LR B2 anyway.
PS : I hope to deliver as soon as possible the Max Sirena / Bertelli interview
Most of the crew on the other boats do not move or switch sides. The thing that is unique about LR is that they use two helmsman, one on each side.
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Still, it is interesting that Ineos - whose boomless main looked pretty good, have switched to a boom. They wouldn't have done that lightly. They must think they can shape the lower section of the main better with a boom, than without.
MaxHugen
Super Anarchist
Maybe for individual control of outhaul on each skin, for camber shape? Don't know how they controlled it without a boom...
I think you can do all that without a boom as LR have demonstrated. It's just easier to do it with a boom. I'm struggling to see the advantages of going boomless.
LR have got some hidden system below deck shaping the main. Ineos have obviously decided it's easier just to use a boom. Italians love their complex engineering.
Schakel
Dayboat sailor
It's different, revolutionairy, the twin sails gives room to controled battens, in both sails, and internal profiles that may or may not work.
It's really innovative that might be a quantum leap forward. And no booms,.. Internal booms are possible as well.
Great, I love this cup more than the previous ones for their innovations.
Including e-boats that makes things possible that otherwise would be impossible.
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I am very curious about how the helm switch works. I would think the main advantage is not aero but a combination of safety and not having to hand off helming 2x for each tack/jibe (hand off to the temporary helmsman and then hand off back to the primary helmsman). And I guess also there is less switching of other roles, because the temporary helm doesn't have to stop doing what they were doing before and start doing it again. But so, do the old helm and old foil controller do those things through the tack and then switch? I would think that would be the best, and then switch when the tack is done, and the new helm and the new foil controller have the chance to get settled before some big maneuver.
They'd be knackerd after a few tacks in a tacking duel - I know, they said the same thing about the AC50s but they still managed to duel in a couple of the races.
The_Alchemist
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??? Like, which crew? The grinders running across? Only the helm, trim, and FC switch. Don't really get your point except, yes, LR use two helms.
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Not long now until B2 is released..!
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This will be the best AC week ever!!! 3 crazed design dreams from electric sheep and heaps of $$$$$$$.
Next we get a pretend race, but this show down ho down is like no other!
