Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

[barfy]

Drop this here as best part is the max quote about how great the class will be next time 

 

[winchfodder]

One of the best performance upgrades on Luna Rossa is the exchange of helms. After seeing the helmsman (and mainsail trimmer? Flight controller?) on the other boats running around the back (Frackers and Trumpists) and front (emirati) it just looks too precarious. Also a major distraction with the speed and changing of boat to boat tactics required. Too easy to miss a trick whilst all the time the handbags are just sitting comfy and concentrating on the developing situation. Presti also points out that the redundant helm becomes the flight controller to leeward which gives him a good feel of how the boat is balanced and flying before not too long he is back on the helm.

It will be interesting if one or more of the other three teams adopt the same set up. 

 

[nav]

More staff shots here: https://www.facebook.com/LunaRossaPradaPirelli/photos/pcb.2086649308137129/2086647918137268/?type=3&theater

 

[nav]

These very similar (dark, moody, closeups) to a series I posted in the NYYC thread a few days back

Relentless week of training

 

[BBA]

On 1/7/2021 at 9:55 AM, bortolo said:

Is that a dummy tack they attempt at 4.30? 

 

[The_Alchemist]

One of the best performance upgrades on Luna Rossa is the exchange of helms. After seeing the helmsman (and mainsail trimmer? Flight controller?) on the other boats running around the back (Frackers and Trumpists) and front (emirati) it just looks too precarious. Also a major distraction with the speed and changing of boat to boat tactics required. Too easy to miss a trick whilst all the time the handbags are just sitting comfy and concentrating on the developing situation. Presti also points out that the redundant helm becomes the flight controller to leeward which gives him a good feel of how the boat is balanced and flying before not too long he is back on the helm.

It will be interesting if one or more of the other three teams adopt the same set up. 

following you naming theme, how about the Sheepfckrs, don't they have the same problems.

 

[weta27]

Is that a dummy tack they attempt at 4.30? 

Looks more like a change of mind, sit-down and think again

 

[mako23]

following you naming theme, how about the Sheepfckrs, don't they have the same problems.

I didn’t know that Wales had a boat in the AC 

 

[Xlot]

Bump. Also, if boats are going to be officially measured on Wednesday, we should know one way or the other

 ... all four teams will have practice races on Monday and Tuesday before the challengers' boats are officially measured on Wednesday ahead of the Prada Cup opening round robin starting on Friday.
 

Doesn't the rig plan specify where the chain plates are and that runners must be connected. Is your idea therefore that with a huge strop you keep them connected at both ends but there's tons of slack to route it through the skins still?

Can someone observe if they still have to send a man up the mast every time they hoist the mainsail, to remove a temporary backstay, and conversely when they lower it?

On 1/8/2021 at 9:56 AM, bortolo said:

Backstays on while under the crane, at least.

 

[167149]

I didn’t know that Scotland had a boat in the AC 

FIFY

 

[BBA]

Looks more like a change of mind, sit-down and think again

Yeah maybe you are right. I reckon would be a good move to be able to do though, especailly if we are going to be having close racing. They do the rounding and tack at the bottom mark which is similar, guess they have a bit more boat speed to be able to pull it off.  Has anyone been practising maneuvres that could be described as a dummy/double tack?

 

[Xlot]

Vittorio & Pietro on the runners question: thoughtful as usual, but to me they seem uncharacteristically skittish about the possibility that LR painted itself into a corner - unlikely, no? For some reason they do not consider the obvious (to SA pundits) solution of stuffing the runners inside the mainsail

Anyway, we should know by Wed if the boat has been measured, or not

 

[barfy]

17 minutes ago, Xlot said:

They did mention a luff pocket for the stays,  I assume you are thinking of tucking them into the leach.

Seems to me running with the stays slack wouldn't be the end of the world. Re-cutting all the light air gear, well,  they might not really need it until match time...so best get cracking.

 

[17mika]

2 hours ago, Xlot said:

I think the issue with that is that runners attachment point is outside ofnthe double skin and I understand that you have to hoist the main with runners on. So (maybe) it's not that easy

 

[barfy]

Jimmyyyy...

 

[sfigone]

I think the issue with that is that runners attachment point is outside ofnthe double skin and I understand that you have to hoist the main with runners on. So (maybe) it's not that easy

Another option could be to trim them to be directly behind the main stays.  Not perfect aerodynamically, but at least in already disturbed airflow.   The hard part would be how to get them out to the spreader tips.     Perhaps as this is sub optimal it would become better to just use them and have better control over sail shape?

 

[Zaal]

https://www.oasport.it/2021/01/americas-cup-luna-rossa-migliora-laerodinamica-senza-volanti-e-spunta-il-nuovo-timone/amp/

Interesting article, worth a Google Translation. Main points are : 

- MS told them someone tried to force LR to use the backstays, but they still can sail without them if they meet certain conditions

- The author thinks they can put the backstays inside the double main 

PS: what will be the initials of Checco Bruni here on SA ? CB for his nickname, “Checco” Bruni ? Or FB for his real name, Francesco Bruni ?  

 

[barfy]

- MS told them someone tried to force LR to use the backstays, but they still can sail without them if they meet certain conditions

Force feeding stays...poor Max.

What conditions can they leave them out?

 

[Rennmaus]

https://www.oasport.it/2021/01/americas-cup-luna-rossa-migliora-laerodinamica-senza-volanti-e-spunta-il-nuovo-timone/amp/

Interesting article, worth a Google Translation. Main points are : 

- MS told them someone tried to force LR to use the backstays, but they still can sail without them if they meet certain conditions

- The author thinks they can put the backstays inside the double main 

PS: what will be the initials of Checco Bruni here on SA ? CB for his nickname, “Checco” Bruni ? Or FB for his real name, Francesco Bruni ?  

FCB? 

 

[crashtack]

By the way, based on Justin's great videos on YouTube (and his descriptions) it seems that yesterday all boats aligned and raced.

Apparently INEOS and AM even had two full "races" of 6 legs. 

Looks like the new "rule" preventing coordinated sailing at less than 100m for more than 30 seconds does not work. Or has it been allowed?

It's official Prada cup practice, they are allowed to race one another.