Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

weta27

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L-R: stbd and port foils, taken on Friday.

Look quite similar in shape and area but the port foil has slightly less curved leading edge, smaller, slightly angled, more highly-polished flaps

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Stingray~

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It may be an advantage having helms who understand both steering and foil-control, since they are so closely related. 

 

nroose

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Jimmy has always been a team player and more vocal at pressers than on the boat. Seems like good attributes for a helmsman.

 

hoom

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Its pretty clear he's either learned some humility or had it very clearly spelled out to him by Bertelli/whoever that he tone it down.

Or as I write that, it occurs maybe it was the other way around: the dickwad persona was part of his Orifice employment?

With the split helms: is leeward 'off' guy taking over doing foil?

 

idontwan2know

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Jimmy has always been calm and professional on the boat.

Winding up Kiwis in the press conference has nothing to do with how he goes about his business on the boat.

 

Varan

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No mention of software issues on LR, but their early tack away from the left boundary when left was clearly favored, followed by a boundary violation on the right side makes me wonder if their data were skewed. May never know as it would be bad form to bitch about it now.

 
LR looked fabulous in the abandoned race and the start of three rerun. But I think the wind moderated a bit (before sqwall) and she looked a little underdone then.  Maybe could have had a touch late jib so she have been more on the edge in pressure, but better in the lulls?

Either way, she doesn't look far off at all.

 

17mika

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No mention of software issues on LR, but their early tack away from the left boundary when left was clearly favored, followed by a boundary violation on the right side makes me wonder if their data were skewed. May never know as it would be bad form to bitch about it now.
FB confirmed the software issues of last race to ita press and that also impacted their ability to trim boat properly.

He said also at the start they only had a timer

 

Zaal

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Max Sirena interview about this first Round Robin:

- They made a lot of mistakes, but the boat performed really well both in light and strong winds. 
- First race against Ineos was really good. In the second race they should cover more, they didn’t do it because they were sailing really fast, they didn’t want to loose speed in order to cover. Lesson learned the hard way.

- In the second race they started without info about the position of the boundaries, They had also some failures, Pietro Sibello (mainsail trimmer) didn’t swap side since one of the mainsail trim console broke 

- They’re happy about the point earned, but they also feel sorry for AM capsize 

 

P Flados

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The lack of reliable boundary info is a big deal.  It did not impact the result of any race yet, but easily could.  

If they can call off a race due to a windshift, should they consider calling off a race where a team is "unfairly handicapped" by lack of boundary info? 

Alternately,  should they disable the feed to the other boat, make them rely on the " boundary light" and cut teams slack for close calls on boundaries.

 
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bortolo

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12 hours ago, Zaal said:


Wondering if the number of tactical errors made by LR can be related to not having a single person making calls. They claim that the helmsman currently driving makes decisions: it may be against his "instinct" to call a tack to cover and give up the helm. But then again, they did tack too early on one occasion at least...

 
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The Main Man

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The lack of reliable boundary info is a big deal.  It did not impact the result of any race yet, but easily could.  

If they can call off a race due to a windshift, should they consider calling off a race where a team is "unfairly handicapped" by lack of boundary info? 

Alternately,  should they disable the feed to the other boat, make them rely on the " boundary light" and cut teams slack for close calls on boundaries.
No. If bits of your boat aren’t working that’s it. 

 

erdb

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Maybe they've worked some fluid magic with their foils...  I first noticed an unusual concave leeward side curve on the trailing area of a sail in some top down pics, but wrote it off as a tight leech. Then again in a pic of LR's foil flap:

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And then again yesterday when I picked up a bird's feather...

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Maybe I just have OCD.  :wacko:
Laminar flow airfoils do sometime have a concave shape towards the trailing edge.

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Mozzy Sails

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Luna Rossa weekend review, including that 'hook or no hook' decision, which, I believe, is kind of a microcosm of their wider issues with their set up. 

Feel free to rip our opinions apart!




 

enigmatically2

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Interesting Mozzy.

I hadn't picked up on the chat being that of 2 helms rather than tactician and helm, but I see your point.

On the idea that LR look fast and its easy- it seems to me that they have a nice wide groove, so they found that groove early and find it consistently. Whereas UK designed a boat with a narrower groove, so it take them a while and a few adjustments to get it right, but now they have they are faster (downwind at least). So the UK boat is harder to sail, but faster when they get it spot on.

Make sense?

 
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