Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36
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buckdouger
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buckdouger
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Edit: not entirely clear the max chord is in the right place. Two lines proposed, yield different conclusions. Definitely changes to the foil attachment to arm.
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MaxHugen
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The only way I've found to get reasonably accurate measurements is from a pic perpendicular to the foil when it's elevated.
Mozzy Sails
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Luna Rossa will be furious, a clearly capable and fast boat, just let down again in a tight situation.
I know it's becoming cliche by now to say this, but they must solve the communication issue between Jimmy and Bruni. I can see why Jimmy was calling those tacks, but it clearly wasn't as well practiced as it should be.
Obviously, lots of shifts in that race, but these were two situation, where Luna Rossa conceded an advantageous position in an unforced error. They only needed half a boat length more and that last cross penalty would have gone their way.
I know it's becoming cliche by now to say this, but they must solve the communication issue between Jimmy and Bruni. I can see why Jimmy was calling those tacks, but it clearly wasn't as well practiced as it should be.
Obviously, lots of shifts in that race, but these were two situation, where Luna Rossa conceded an advantageous position in an unforced error. They only needed half a boat length more and that last cross penalty would have gone their way.
marlowe
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The only sailing reason for having the split helm is if it makes them more efficient in manoeuvres than others who have the helmsman crossing the boat. However that's not what's happening, if anything it's hindering their manoeuvres. It seems more like a political decision that's not helping. Is it too late to change? Would there be controls and systems that are too difficult to alter and adapt to at this stage? If they could change who would be the sole helmsman?
enigmatically2
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I just posted on GB thread that they are the only one of 3 whose mainsail trimmer is to windward and trimming main when they come out of a turn. I wonder if that is hurting LR on tacks
terrafirma
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I think it's mini crisis time for Luna Rossa. When your in front why not cover? They are not making decisions consistent with winning this event let alone the cup. I know deep down Jimmy doesn't agree with their strategies to date. Jimmy is pissed with the umpires mean time Ineos sail away. The Italians once again are off on a tangent that isn't conducive with winning on the big stage.
Enzedel92
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Agreed 100%. Max needs to make jimmy helm and Bruni tactician and that’s the end of the story. Move on. Put the egos aside - too much riding on this.
Raptorsailor
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Watch the port and starboar race feeds. The difference is night and day between Prada comms and Ineos comms. They should just have Jimmy be tactician as he's obviously better at it and bruni on the helm.
Is LR is using a different program for their FCS?
https://youtu.be/N8--jRxcXgM?t=9005
Am I the only one noticing how the early the foil starts to raise, then pauses for a sec, then finishes coming up?
https://youtu.be/N8--jRxcXgM?t=9005
Am I the only one noticing how the early the foil starts to raise, then pauses for a sec, then finishes coming up?
chesirecat
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"Coach of Luna Rossa, Philippe Presti is one of the major players in the Prada Cup. Glued to his seat at the front of the Italian AC75 tender, he follows everything, sees everything, hears everything to help Spithill and his crew to progress. His role, the results of the first round robins, the capsizing of Patriot, the regattas to come, the complexity of the boats, he is the man you have to listen to to better understand what is currently happening in Auckland. Interview as informative as it is fascinating!"
https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-france.fr/regate/coupe-de-l-america/video-america-s-cup-rencontre-avec-philippe-presti-ces-machines-sont-incroyables-4685e30c-5bdd-11eb-ac77-3c5a581679bb
https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-france.fr/regate/coupe-de-l-america/video-america-s-cup-rencontre-avec-philippe-presti-ces-machines-sont-incroyables-4685e30c-5bdd-11eb-ac77-3c5a581679bb
JALhazmat
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We are getting fucked by the boat we laughed at when it launched and only scraped a second point when AM fell over..
is that the gist of it?
Priscilla
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Crikey only a week or two ago Max S was waxing lyrical about his preference for using their B1 for the initial stages of the Prada Cup.
rh3000
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Another great video @Mozzy Sails!
I also recall an incident in the race when jimmy started counting slowly and Bruni just talked over him, saying all in one go "three-two-one-drop!" which seemed like he was almost pissed off...
I know there was talk about these two not getting on, and I do think they are trying, but this type of shared control (especially when under pressure/behind) is very difficult to maintain a positive relationship.
FCS and its software are the same for all teams. How they cant the foils is up to them and it changes depending on conditions and speed.
Here is foil cant angle during tacks for INEOS vs LR. The main difference is that LR dips the new foil deeper for a few seconds after tack while accelerating. We've seen all teams do it during the ACWS. However, INEOS seems to have minimized this acceleration / low foil cant period.
MaxHugen
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Difficult to get any accuracy at all from these pics, best I could do, but it does appear that the flap area is larger, and the leading edge has lost the curvature out towards the tip. Overall area looks much the same otherwise.
