Luna Rossa Challenge. AC 36

[Fiji Bitter]

The port oven is for gluten-free pizza 

This hand made wood fired Fijian pizza oven is for long pig pizza, it's truly delicious I must confess.

PM me for the recipe, you will need a sharp machete though...

 

[Barnyb]

 

[Priscilla]

Out of interest I just re-watched Race 1 from the ACWS, LRPP vs ETNZ.

PB controlled Jimmy in the start box, led off the line and then took off over the horizon.

It was domination, a 1.2km lead after the first lap!

I wonder how much of that gap Luna Rossa has made up by now??

Cracker race that one Weta.

 

[strider470]

Pietro Sibello: "guys, I have to say that racing these boats is simply amazing. È una figata". Not so polite Italian expression  to mean something you really like, derived from the word figa (pussy)

 

[minimumfuss]

This hand made wood fired Fijian pizza oven is for long pig pizza, it's truly delicious I must confess.

PM me for the recipe, you will need a sharp machete though...

Is the machete for the pig or just the pizza? That would be funny to see down at the viaduct in a flash restaurant, the "Long Pig". Might rival Fergburger in Queenstown with 100m queues

 

[Fiji Bitter]

Is the machete for the pig or just the pizza? That would be funny to see down at the viaduct in a flash restaurant, the "Long Pig". Might rival Fergburger in Queenstown with 100m queues

Just for the long pig actually.

You can ask a Maori for the recipe if you like, but be careful!  :lol:

 

[Rhumline]

Back in 2000 we estimated at least 60% of the married team members were having affairs. Their families were here too. 

Your papa ain't your papa but your papa don't know

 

[strider470]

It seems that Jimmy, by contract, is not allowed to say “at the end of the day” more than twice a day (three times during weekends and bank holidays) and never in public, in particular at press conferences. Is this the biggest improvement in LR communications everybody is talking about?

 

[terrafirma]

There is a lot of talk now about the twin Helmsman approach as one of the key reasons Luna Rossa is winning races. They copped a lot of criticism early about this but it makes you wonder? They may have found a small advantage? Extra Grinders too over Ineos but nobody saying that's an advantage?

 

[AeroSail1]

There is a lot of talk now about the twin Helmsman approach as one of the key reasons Luna Rossa is winning races. They copped a lot of criticism early about this but it makes you wonder? They may have found a small advantage? Extra Grinders too over Ineos but nobody saying that's an advantage?

I think the twin helm is a concept which requires lots of racing experience to be refined and become effective. In the ACWS and RR we could all see that this approach was inferior to the more traditional Ben Ainslie - Giles Scott duo mostly due to poor communication and two brains that aren't really "aligned" when put under pressure. My hot take is that the RR races against Ineos were predominantly lost not on boat performance but communication/tactical/decision errors, which were the manifestation of the teething issues of the twin helm. After learning from the mistakes of the RR and the experience gained in the semi-finals the twin helm is becoming much more effective, with Checco and JS being not only better in communication but also in terms of synergy between the two.

 

[strider470]

There is a lot of talk now about the twin Helmsman approach as one of the key reasons Luna Rossa is winning races. They copped a lot of criticism early about this but it makes you wonder? They may have found a small advantage? Extra Grinders too over Ineos but nobody saying that's an advantage?

It seems the fewer grinders were not an issue for INEOS, not even in such a close quarter combat as the third race. In addition, on ITUK, they work in a more efficient way and so the difference is smaller than the mere men count.

 

[strider470]

Jimmy trying the starts at the simulator.

 

[AeroSail1]

9 minutes ago, strider470 said:

Jimmy trying the starts at the simulator.

Fantastico haha

Does this mean Checco Bruni is Bud Spencer?

 

[strider470]

Fantastico haha

Does this mean Checco Bruni is Bud Spencer?

Maybe a grinder, Checco is smaller than a leg of Bud Spencer!

 

[alphafb552]

I think the twin helm is a concept which requires lots of racing experience to be refined and become effective. In the ACWS and RR we could all see that this approach was inferior to the more traditional Ben Ainslie - Giles Scott duo mostly due to poor communication and two brains that aren't really "aligned" when put under pressure. My hot take is that the RR races against Ineos were predominantly lost not on boat performance but communication/tactical/decision errors, which were the manifestation of the teething issues of the twin helm. After learning from the mistakes of the RR and the experience gained in the semi-finals the twin helm is becoming much more effective, with Checco and JS being not only better in communication but also in terms of synergy between the two.

Don't forget the increased role that Pietro Sibello is taking on in observing conditions around the boat and facilitating communications - I think this is an essential ingredient in the effectiveness of the twin helm concept

Also, seeing the distance that Ineos lost in the duck that Giles did, makes a good argument for having experienced helmsmen on either side.

 

[nav]

^ Surely 1/2 a day practising 'ducks' under Ben's tutelage would be more than adequate??

 

[weta27]

It seems that Jimmy, by contract, is not allowed to say “at the end of the day” more than twice a day (three times during weekends and bank holidays) and never in public, in particular at press conferences. Is this the biggest improvement in LR communications everybody is talking about?

Yes I suspect so, and a few extra "the boyz did a great job today" and "there is still more on the table" have been added in. Must be worth a knot or two!

 

[Stingray~]

Don't forget the increased role that Pietro Sibello is taking on in observing conditions around the boat and facilitating communications - I think this is an essential ingredient in the effectiveness of the twin helm concept

Pietro Sibello’s new advice in the decision loop aboard lR is being touted as an improvement, and maybe it is. But on that count (tactics) I suspect that JS’s long-time coach Philippe Presti is playing an even bigger role, including for in prestart set plays. Max has alluded to him too. 
 

As far the the twin-helm thing, a counter consequence is their roles as ‘flight controllers’ - which must surely be very key too. My guess is that this role is greatly aided on this (maybe all boats’ systems) by software, where they can ‘push a button’ and then a bunch of cant, lift speeds and flap angles on each side get help through software choreography that is tuned to boat speed, windspeed, desired ‘aggression’ for the tack, etc. That software appears to be exempt from measurement lock-ins. 

 

[strider470]

I really like James Spithill in this Campaign. The Luna Rossa team approach is evident in him too. And not being so exposed to media and responsibility outside the water allows him to concentrate on sailing, a thing that he does magnificently. His sailing connection with his co-helmsman Francesco is getting better and better, with the precious help of Pietro Sibello. He loves sailing, competing and the America's Cup. When was hired by LR Team he accepted a totally different salary compared to the Oracle standards and said he could have come even for free.

At the end of the day... FORZA LUNA, FORZA JIMMY

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[45Roller]

At the end of the day... FORZA LUNA, FORZA JIMMY

I think both helms are really starting to gel now, much better talk between them, and they're not saying "copy" all the time  :lol: