luxury and speed?

drakeborer

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Nice big banner on the front page about the MConaghy MC 2 60. Anybody know about the boat? Looks kinda aggressive for any sort of cruising. Are they hopin to tap into the Gunboat crowd?

Would love to see some more definite pix, plans, specs etc

 

beachball

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Looks pretty hot. Faster than the Gunboats for sure - and a fair bit cheaper. But suspect it will be much more "involved" sailing - many of us might like that, but it might get old on extended cruises (at least for some). Other potential issues with cruise-ability: Amenities and space - those hulls look quite narrow and there is a lot of empty space in the bow areas...

 

Veeger

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Looks pretty hot. Faster than the Gunboats for sure - and a fair bit cheaper. But suspect it will be much more "involved" sailing - many of us might like that, but it might get old on extended cruises (at least for some). Other potential issues with cruise-ability: Amenities and space - those hulls look quite narrow and there is a lot of empty space in the bow areas...
Uhmm, 'empty space in the bow areas' is exactly how you get performance in a cruising cat. Filling everything with more staterooms is what you do with a charter cat, not a genuine cruiser. I can't even begin to imagine having to cruise with 6 or 8 or more folks on board. And with 60 feet loa, there's still plenty of capacity to carry the amenities 'needed' for cruising, provided you don't get carried away with dish/clothes washers, dryers and trash compactors. If you don't want to be so 'involved' while you're on passage, it's really okay to shorten sail and still make better speed than most cruisers.

 

AClass USA 230

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Looks pretty hot. Faster than the Gunboats for sure - and a fair bit cheaper. But suspect it will be much more "involved" sailing - many of us might like that, but it might get old on extended cruises (at least for some). Other potential issues with cruise-ability: Amenities and space - those hulls look quite narrow and there is a lot of empty space in the bow areas...
There was another 50 foot performance cruising cat that was labeled a Gunboat killer at half the price. It showed up in Antigua this year at Sail Week. It was not even close against the Gunboat 62's and 66's even on corrected time. I guess it's the highest compliment to Gunboat that everyone wants to have a Gunboat killer! I'd suspect the next generation of Gunboats designed by Nigel Irens will be very, very good.

 

beachball

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Looks pretty hot. Faster than the Gunboats for sure - and a fair bit cheaper. But suspect it will be much more "involved" sailing - many of us might like that, but it might get old on extended cruises (at least for some). Other potential issues with cruise-ability: Amenities and space - those hulls look quite narrow and there is a lot of empty space in the bow areas...
Uhmm, 'empty space in the bow areas' is exactly how you get performance in a cruising cat. Filling everything with more staterooms is what you do with a charter cat, not a genuine cruiser. I can't even begin to imagine having to cruise with 6 or 8 or more folks on board. And with 60 feet loa, there's still plenty of capacity to carry the amenities 'needed' for cruising, provided you don't get carried away with dish/clothes washers, dryers and trash compactors. If you don't want to be so 'involved' while you're on passage, it's really okay to shorten sail and still make better speed than most cruisers.
No shit, Sherlock. Speak of stating the blindingly obvious. Now read my post again and compare the MC 2 60 to the Gunboat along the dimensions I mentioned (interior volume of the hulls, percentage of usable space vs. empty space) and tell me that those design decisions do not affect cruise-ability. It is a trade-off/choice between comforts and speed potential - and in this case a completely conscious one, driven by Raph's intended usage profile.

 

cabsav

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I have heard rumour that there is a Multihull Racer in Australia who has one of these on the way!

 

Veeger

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Looks pretty hot. Faster than the Gunboats for sure - and a fair bit cheaper. But suspect it will be much more "involved" sailing - many of us might like that, but it might get old on extended cruises (at least for some). Other potential issues with cruise-ability: Amenities and space - those hulls look quite narrow and there is a lot of empty space in the bow areas...
Uhmm, 'empty space in the bow areas' is exactly how you get performance in a cruising cat. Filling everything with more staterooms is what you do with a charter cat, not a genuine cruiser. I can't even begin to imagine having to cruise with 6 or 8 or more folks on board. And with 60 feet loa, there's still plenty of capacity to carry the amenities 'needed' for cruising, provided you don't get carried away with dish/clothes washers, dryers and trash compactors. If you don't want to be so 'involved' while you're on passage, it's really okay to shorten sail and still make better speed than most cruisers.
No shit, Sherlock. Speak of stating the blindingly obvious. Now read my post again and compare the MC 2 60 to the Gunboat along the dimensions I mentioned (interior volume of the hulls, percentage of usable space vs. empty space) and tell me that those design decisions do not affect cruise-ability. It is a trade-off/choice between comforts and speed potential - and in this case a completely conscious one, driven by Raph's intended usage profile.
At the risk of stating the obvious (gawd, I shua don wanna do dat agin). It appears that the murky area is your definition of cruise-ability. I followed your advice and re-read your post. Help me out, are you stating that cruise-ability is a function of space? amenities? What amenities or lack thereof in the MC are missing that so affect this cruise-ability you speak of? I assume (yep, that's dangerous) that cruise-ability is the ability to cruise. I easily cruise with similar amenities to the MC 60 but in far less speed and performance, ergo, she's still cruise-able. But to each his own.

 
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Looks pretty hot. Faster than the Gunboats for sure - and a fair bit cheaper. But suspect it will be much more "involved" sailing - many of us might like that, but it might get old on extended cruises (at least for some). Other potential issues with cruise-ability: Amenities and space - those hulls look quite narrow and there is a lot of empty space in the bow areas...
Uhmm, 'empty space in the bow areas' is exactly how you get performance in a cruising cat. Filling everything with more staterooms is what you do with a charter cat, not a genuine cruiser. I can't even begin to imagine having to cruise with 6 or 8 or more folks on board. And with 60 feet loa, there's still plenty of capacity to carry the amenities 'needed' for cruising, provided you don't get carried away with dish/clothes washers, dryers and trash compactors. If you don't want to be so 'involved' while you're on passage, it's really okay to shorten sail and still make better speed than most cruisers.
No shit, Sherlock. Speak of stating the blindingly obvious. Now read my post again and compare the MC 2 60 to the Gunboat along the dimensions I mentioned (interior volume of the hulls, percentage of usable space vs. empty space) and tell me that those design decisions do not affect cruise-ability. It is a trade-off/choice between comforts and speed potential - and in this case a completely conscious one, driven by Raph's intended usage profile.
At the risk of stating the obvious (gawd, I shua don wanna do dat agin). It appears that the murky area is your definition of cruise-ability. I followed your advice and re-read your post. Help me out, are you stating that cruise-ability is a function of space? amenities? What amenities or lack thereof in the MC are missing that so affect this cruise-ability you speak of? I assume (yep, that's dangerous) that cruise-ability is the ability to cruise. I easily cruise with similar amenities to the MC 60 but in far less speed and performance, ergo, she's still cruise-able. But to each his own.
I ordered MC60 no 2 simply because it suited my needs the best. I was going to build a custom 60 footer as I have built many multihulls over the past 40 years and I've enjoyed the process but it's very time consuming and I realised that my current work commitments would not allow me to spend the time required to study all the alternatives available today. McConaghy's was my preferred builder of the custom boat and when they became involved with Raphael Blot and his RB60 as it was then I started to look more seriously at this boat and I visited the yard to inspect the full size mock-ups they have built and I was really surprised at the room on the boat. After talking to Raphael Blot and the designer Renaud Banuls, I realised that this cat met almost all my requirementsand an enormous amount of detailed work had gone into the design and drawing up the specifications.

The same could be said for the Gunboat 60 but they really are two different boats, they simply share the same length overall. If you look at the specifications of both boats you can see that the MC60 is much lighter at 8.9t vs 16.2t for the Gunboat with smaller sail areas and considerably less loads throughout. I wanted a boat that was light and easily driven, easy to sail and above all, it had to be reliable. We intend to cruise this boat extensively so it had to be easily serviced in any remote areas and devoid of all gadgets that seem to give so much grief in the tropics.

There is no perfect boat and in fact the last Gunboat 66 was bought by another Australian before production ceased in Sth Africa so it's up to individual customers to decide what's important to them and choose accordingly

http://www.mc2catama...260/dimensions/

http://www.gunboat.com/60-specs.php

 

envy

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Would you let advertising and glossy brochures make your decision for you.

Every boat is made up of different elements - how these elements suit a particular owner is personal

Another person can poorly judge the decision of the owner when criticizing the completed project.

Even when completed, the owner is aware of issues which should have been made different.

Every boat is a compromise, due to the very different personalities of owners

this makes it really hard to have a one design fleet.

 

loop

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If you look at the specifications of both boats you can see that the MC60 is much lighter at 8.9t vs 16.2t for the Gunboat with smaller sail areas and considerably less loads throughout.

It will be interesting to see the number actually showing on the scale, when the finished product is finally hanging in the slings before the splash ;-))))

 

cynophobe

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Bullet proof,14m Schionning G-force.Built light and simple,but with the ability to cruise in comfort if slightly minimilistic.Bloody quick boat.
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Attitude at 17m has every concievable piece of crap on board and is just another boat.

Speed V Comfort/Crusability are relative.

I'll take the Bullet anyday.

 
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Y-Bar

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Great choice of boat. This may be the first apples to apples Gunboat killer.
Perhaps we just need a gunboat to venture down this way.

Dont know if there are any Gunboats being built for oz but as you can see the choice of local designs is right up there with the best of them. Great choice Tony. Best of luck. Cant wait to see one in the flesh.

 



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