Manhasset Bay Fall Series: Oct 16/17, 23/24

[sailman]

Wonder if everyone will have pfds this weekend!

It's a wonder there isn't a wind speed where they become required in WLIS. I know this argument has been beaten like a dead horse. Maybe boat owners could institute their own? Is wearing an auto inflate fanny pack all that cumbersome? From years of experience, an easterly or puffy NW is when most of the shit hits the fan and there is most risk for an accident/ MOB. Seems like a no brain er to put one on and go racing. Then again a public viewing is much better than empty casket.

Shit, places like SF Bay they are required, no questions asked, not exceptions. That's a 24/7 365 rule here. We've all adapted and it's a non-issue even in the winter where the wind is lightest.

I'm always amazed at how many MOB's there are on WLIS during a regatta.....regardless of wind strength. Didn't realize there was a mandatory PFD rule on SF Bay. Hate to say it but that sucks.

You just contradicted yourself. You say you're amazed at the MOB's in WLIS regardless of wind yet think a PDF rule sucks? Can't follow the logic. In the past three years in SF Bay I've seen exactly one MOB and it was on a j105 where a guy got launched and the video was caught on youtube and posted here on SA. And I race, a lot. Basic facts are the water is cold, 58 degrees year round, the wind blows a good part of the year and there have been deaths in the past that a pfd could have prevented.

So what's the discussion/ conclusion? At a certain point do we institute a rule requiring pfd's, do we require them and everyone supports the marine industry with purchases, do we just deal with the inconvenience (however slight it might be) of wearing one, or do we continue to take chances when there is an amazing number of MOB's regardless of wind strength.

Look, I'm in support of freedom to do whatever but how many people could we not lose to something so simple as drowning. Having known JEB and C, both who drown, I just hate to lose another friend/ sailor. Fair winds and great competition to everyone the next two weekends!

DB

So now part of your reasoning is to buy PFDs to "support the marine industry". WTF is wrong with the facking Left Coast in this country? Enforce safety rules inside your own gunwales, and leave "stimulating" the marine industry to the market.

 

[jesposito]

Wonder if everyone will have pfds this weekend!

It's a wonder there isn't a wind speed where they become required in WLIS. I know this argument has been beaten like a dead horse. Maybe boat owners could institute their own? Is wearing an auto inflate fanny pack all that cumbersome? From years of experience, an easterly or puffy NW is when most of the shit hits the fan and there is most risk for an accident/ MOB. Seems like a no brain er to put one on and go racing. Then again a public viewing is much better than empty casket.

Shit, places like SF Bay they are required, no questions asked, not exceptions. That's a 24/7 365 rule here. We've all adapted and it's a non-issue even in the winter where the wind is lightest.

I'm always amazed at how many MOB's there are on WLIS during a regatta.....regardless of wind strength. Didn't realize there was a mandatory PFD rule on SF Bay. Hate to say it but that sucks.

You just contradicted yourself. You say you're amazed at the MOB's in WLIS regardless of wind yet think a PDF rule sucks? Can't follow the logic. In the past three years in SF Bay I've seen exactly one MOB and it was on a j105 where a guy got launched and the video was caught on youtube and posted here on SA. And I race, a lot. Basic facts are the water is cold, 58 degrees year round, the wind blows a good part of the year and there have been deaths in the past that a pfd could have prevented.

So what's the discussion/ conclusion? At a certain point do we institute a rule requiring pfd's, do we require them and everyone supports the marine industry with purchases, do we just deal with the inconvenience (however slight it might be) of wearing one, or do we continue to take chances when there is an amazing number of MOB's regardless of wind strength.

Look, I'm in support of freedom to do whatever but how many people could we not lose to something so simple as drowning. Having known JEB and C, both who drown, I just hate to lose another friend/ sailor. Fair winds and great competition to everyone the next two weekends!

DB

So now part of your reasoning is to buy PFDs to "support the marine industry". WTF is wrong with the facking Left Coast in this country? Enforce safety rules inside your own gunwales, and leave "stimulating" the marine industry to the market.

So does that mean you are against wearing a PFD?

 

[andrew okun]

NOAA's most recent guess:

Sat...NW winds 25 to 30 kt with gusts up to 40 kt. Seas 3 to 5 ft.

Sat Night...NW winds 20 to 25 kt with gusts up to 35 kt. Seas 2 to 4 ft.

Sun...W winds 15 to 20 kt...becoming NW 10 to 15 kt. Seas 2 to 4 ft...subsiding to 1 to 2 ft after midnight.

 

[footlong]

NOAA's most recent guess:

Sat...NW winds 25 to 30 kt with gusts up to 40 kt. Seas 3 to 5 ft.

Sat Night...NW winds 20 to 25 kt with gusts up to 35 kt. Seas 2 to 4 ft.

Sun...W winds 15 to 20 kt...becoming NW 10 to 15 kt. Seas 2 to 4 ft...subsiding to 1 to 2 ft after midnight.

Predict Wind is showing a little less for WLIS. NW 15-20 for Saturday.

 

[Lee G]

Yippee - breeze on!

Its Thursday and still no scratch sheet - WTF? I have the over/under at 40 boats - whats everyones guess?

 

[Squalamax]

Wonder if everyone will have pfds this weekend!

It's a wonder there isn't a wind speed where they become required in WLIS. I know this argument has been beaten like a dead horse. Maybe boat owners could institute their own? Is wearing an auto inflate fanny pack all that cumbersome? From years of experience, an easterly or puffy NW is when most of the shit hits the fan and there is most risk for an accident/ MOB. Seems like a no brain er to put one on and go racing. Then again a public viewing is much better than empty casket.

Shit, places like SF Bay they are required, no questions asked, not exceptions. That's a 24/7 365 rule here. We've all adapted and it's a non-issue even in the winter where the wind is lightest.

I'm always amazed at how many MOB's there are on WLIS during a regatta.....regardless of wind strength. Didn't realize there was a mandatory PFD rule on SF Bay. Hate to say it but that sucks.

You just contradicted yourself. You say you're amazed at the MOB's in WLIS regardless of wind yet think a PDF rule sucks? Can't follow the logic. In the past three years in SF Bay I've seen exactly one MOB and it was on a j105 where a guy got launched and the video was caught on youtube and posted here on SA. And I race, a lot. Basic facts are the water is cold, 58 degrees year round, the wind blows a good part of the year and there have been deaths in the past that a pfd could have prevented.

So what's the discussion/ conclusion? At a certain point do we institute a rule requiring pfd's, do we require them and everyone supports the marine industry with purchases, do we just deal with the inconvenience (however slight it might be) of wearing one, or do we continue to take chances when there is an amazing number of MOB's regardless of wind strength.

Look, I'm in support of freedom to do whatever but how many people could we not lose to something so simple as drowning. Having known JEB and C, both who drown, I just hate to lose another friend/ sailor. Fair winds and great competition to everyone the next two weekends!

DB

No contradictions here. Comprehension is not your strong suit. Just because there are alot of MOB's in LIS doesn't mean I am for mandated PFD usage. I believe skippers and crews should make their own call.

Having to wear a PFD when its 90 degrees out with 5 knots of breeze is just not fun nor is it necessary in most instances. And yes, I have worn all types of PFD's and NONE of them are completely comfortable when it's that hot and windless. THATS what sucks.

 

[Sailor_Joe]

Besides the individual crew, I think the final decision on wearing a pfd is up to the skipper. Its his boat, his liability, and his insurance.

Plus they make some very comfortable pfd's that don't hinder movement, and will also help keep you warm on those cold windy days.

A decent life vest goes for $50-$100 - not a bad investment.

 

[Snaggletooth]

No contradictions here. Comprehension is not your strong suit.

cantwe juste all geta lounge? Thist is goning to be tuff weeke and we haft to wachout for each orther.

 

[BarePoles]

No contradictions here. Comprehension is not your strong suit.

cantwe juste all geta lounge? Thist is goning to be tuff weeke and we haft to wachout for each orther.

Is that hard to do?

 

[footlong]

No contradictions here. Comprehension is not your strong suit.

cantwe juste all geta lounge? Thist is goning to be tuff weeke and we haft to wachout for each orther.

I'll feel safe knowing the Hustler crew is out there in their cruise ship PFD's watching over the J105 fleet.

 

[One of Five]

Sounds like more photo-ops....

 

[jesposito]

No contradictions here. Comprehension is not your strong suit.

cantwe juste all geta lounge? Thist is goning to be tuff weeke and we haft to wachout for each orther.

I'll feel safe knowing the Hustler crew is out there in their cruise ship PFD's watching over the J105 fleet.

Only watching over you and maybe 1 or 2 others, What's pathetic we will have to be avoiding the resst of the wingnuts as we sail by them.

 

[Snaggletooth]

No contradictions here. Comprehension is not your strong suit.

cantwe juste all geta lounge? Thist is goning to be tuff weeke and we haft to wachout for each orther.

I'll feel safe knowing the Hustler crew is out there in their cruise ship PFD's watching over the J105 fleet.

Only watching over you and maybe 1 or 2 others, What's pathetic we will have to be avoiding the resst of the wingnuts as we sail by them.

Cean can helpe you get throuh!

 

[jesposito]

Sounds like more photo-ops....

Maybe you can do a Dr Crash calender of the 105 Wingnuts, crashing and burning

 

[DogBalls]

Wonder if everyone will have pfds this weekend!

It's a wonder there isn't a wind speed where they become required in WLIS. I know this argument has been beaten like a dead horse. Maybe boat owners could institute their own? Is wearing an auto inflate fanny pack all that cumbersome? From years of experience, an easterly or puffy NW is when most of the shit hits the fan and there is most risk for an accident/ MOB. Seems like a no brain er to put one on and go racing. Then again a public viewing is much better than empty casket.

Shit, places like SF Bay they are required, no questions asked, not exceptions. That's a 24/7 365 rule here. We've all adapted and it's a non-issue even in the winter where the wind is lightest.

I'm always amazed at how many MOB's there are on WLIS during a regatta.....regardless of wind strength. Didn't realize there was a mandatory PFD rule on SF Bay. Hate to say it but that sucks.

You just contradicted yourself. You say you're amazed at the MOB's in WLIS regardless of wind yet think a PDF rule sucks? Can't follow the logic. In the past three years in SF Bay I've seen exactly one MOB and it was on a j105 where a guy got launched and the video was caught on youtube and posted here on SA. And I race, a lot. Basic facts are the water is cold, 58 degrees year round, the wind blows a good part of the year and there have been deaths in the past that a pfd could have prevented.

So what's the discussion/ conclusion? At a certain point do we institute a rule requiring pfd's, do we require them and everyone supports the marine industry with purchases, do we just deal with the inconvenience (however slight it might be) of wearing one, or do we continue to take chances when there is an amazing number of MOB's regardless of wind strength.

Look, I'm in support of freedom to do whatever but how many people could we not lose to something so simple as drowning. Having known JEB and C, both who drown, I just hate to lose another friend/ sailor. Fair winds and great competition to everyone the next two weekends!

DB

Ohh_ so you have a bunch of wing nut J/105 guys out there too.

25 - 30 regulars, 10 - 15 good boats and the rest are hacks.

 

[DogBalls]

Wonder if everyone will have pfds this weekend!

It's a wonder there isn't a wind speed where they become required in WLIS. I know this argument has been beaten like a dead horse. Maybe boat owners could institute their own? Is wearing an auto inflate fanny pack all that cumbersome? From years of experience, an easterly or puffy NW is when most of the shit hits the fan and there is most risk for an accident/ MOB. Seems like a no brain er to put one on and go racing. Then again a public viewing is much better than empty casket.

Shit, places like SF Bay they are required, no questions asked, not exceptions. That's a 24/7 365 rule here. We've all adapted and it's a non-issue even in the winter where the wind is lightest.

I'm always amazed at how many MOB's there are on WLIS during a regatta.....regardless of wind strength. Didn't realize there was a mandatory PFD rule on SF Bay. Hate to say it but that sucks.

You just contradicted yourself. You say you're amazed at the MOB's in WLIS regardless of wind yet think a PDF rule sucks? Can't follow the logic. In the past three years in SF Bay I've seen exactly one MOB and it was on a j105 where a guy got launched and the video was caught on youtube and posted here on SA. And I race, a lot. Basic facts are the water is cold, 58 degrees year round, the wind blows a good part of the year and there have been deaths in the past that a pfd could have prevented.

So what's the discussion/ conclusion? At a certain point do we institute a rule requiring pfd's, do we require them and everyone supports the marine industry with purchases, do we just deal with the inconvenience (however slight it might be) of wearing one, or do we continue to take chances when there is an amazing number of MOB's regardless of wind strength.

Look, I'm in support of freedom to do whatever but how many people could we not lose to something so simple as drowning. Having known JEB and C, both who drown, I just hate to lose another friend/ sailor. Fair winds and great competition to everyone the next two weekends!

DB

No contradictions here. Comprehension is not your strong suit. Just because there are alot of MOB's in LIS doesn't mean I am for mandated PFD usage. I believe skippers and crews should make their own call.

Having to wear a PFD when its 90 degrees out with 5 knots of breeze is just not fun nor is it necessary in most instances. And yes, I have worn all types of PFD's and NONE of them are completely comfortable when it's that hot and windless. THATS what sucks.

No need to throw a jab Squalamax. I agree skippers and crews should make their call but also follow the rules as they are required. I made a point to say wearing a hip inflatible as a solution, and on a super hot day they don't overheat you.

 

[Snaggletooth]

25 - 30 regulars, 10 - 15 good boats and the rest are hacks.

Stadard talant miz.

 

[cjsalustro]

Yup! Just like WLIS.

 

[2high2tight]

rule of thumb I follow -- if you are in foulies (and especially seaboots) you should be wearing a PFD cause if you go over you are in trouble.

 

[footlong]

25 - 30 regulars, 10 - 15 good boats and the rest are hacks.

Stadard talant miz.

Don't make me come over there!