Marjorie Taylor Greene - terrorist cunt!

Burning Man

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You know what’s deeply disturbing? The fact that Greene isn’t actually the real problem here: she’s a symptom of a much deeper rot in American politics. The Republicans knew exactly who Greene was when she decided to run for election and did nothing to sanction or stop her. Republicans used to at least try to hide their racism and hypocrisy under a facade of respectability but their embrace of Trump has caused the mask to well and truly slip. Greene isn’t an outlier in the GOP: she’s the new face of the post-Trump Republican party.
DUDE!  I've been saying this exact thing here for years.  I said clearly that when HWSNBN was elected, he was merely a symptom of what's happening to this country.  

We basically have two choices:

1) we need to figure out why there is so much anger, hatred and resentment among that base and attempt to address it through better education, and programs/policies that tackle the root cause of that anger.  Or

2) we can call them ALL deplorables, tell them ALL they are fucking stupid for feeling this way and tell them ALL to fuck off and die.  

One of those choices will begin healing the country.  One of those choices will further divide the country until the United States of 'Murica no longer exists.  

Are there some truly racist, deplorable whackadoos in the GOP?  Of course there are.  More than I ever imagined.  However, I strongly believe that not all or even most of the 74M who voted for shitstain are that way.  I think most are lost and terribly misguided and have been fed a steady diet of BS and lies by the people who will most profit by it.  They've been lied to and literally programmed to believe this way for decades.  It's been the most monstrous and evil mass propaganda machine that would make Goebbels and Stalin look like amateurs.  I was driving across the country out west one day and only could get am stations.  I listened to rush L. for about 5 min and had to turn it off, it was so disgusting.  But the people who are these "deplorables" listen to this shit day in, day out have literally been brainwashed.  Add in all the other RW media personalities who are making serious coin off of this shit and you have a machine that has ruined generations of good decent people.  Couple that with an education system that is so utterly broken that these people can't even see the deep pit they are in.  

The ONLY way out of this, IMHO, is to come up with better alternatives and a better message to counter the propaganda.  Solid education coupled with attempting to address why these folks are so angry and lost.  All the while attempting to cull and marginalize the extremists like MTG, trump, hawley, etc.  But yelling at them and telling them ALL that they are fucking stupid cunts is not the winning SOLution.  

 
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DUDE!  I've been saying this exact thing here for years.  I said clearly that when HWSNBN was elected, he was merely a symptom of what's happening to this country.  

We basically have two choices:

1) we need to figure out why there is so much anger, hatred and resentment among that base and attempt to address it through better education, and programs/policies that tackle the root cause of that anger.  Or

2) we can call them ALL deplorables, tell them ALL they are fucking stupid for feeling this way and tell them ALL to fuck off and die.  

One of those choices will begin healing the country.  One of those choices will further divide the country until the United States of 'Murica no longer exists.  

Are there some truly racist, deplorable whackadoos in the GOP?  Of course there are.  More than I ever imagined.  However, I strongly believe that not all or even most of the 74M who voted for shitstain are that way.  I think most are lost and terribly misguided and have been fed a steady diet of BS and lies by the people who will most profit by it.  They've been lied to and literally programmed to believe this way for decades.  It's been the most monstrous and evil mass propaganda machine that would make Goebbels and Stalin look like amateurs.  I was driving across the country out west one day and only could get am stations.  I listened to rush L. for about 5 min and had to turn it off, it was so disgusting.  But the people who are these "deplorables" listen to this shit day in, day out have literally been brainwashed.  Add in all the other RW media personalities who are making serious coin off of this shit and you have a machine that has ruined generations of good decent people.  Couple that with an education system that is so utterly broken that these people can't even see the deep pit they are in.  

The ONLY way out of this, IMHO, is to come up with better alternatives and a better message to counter the propaganda.  Solid education coupled with attempting to address why these folks are so angry and lost.  All the while attempting to cull and marginalize the extremists like MTG, trump, hawley, etc.  But yelling at them and telling them ALL that they are fucking stupid cunts is not the winning SOLution.  
The fastest way to cut much of the anger and hatred would be to lash Hannity, Ingraham and Carlson to a 300-pound cement block and drop it into the Marianas Trench. 

 

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The fastest way to cut much of the anger and hatred would be to lash Hannity, Ingraham and Carlson to a 300-pound cement block and drop it into the Marianas Trench. 
Nah. The amount of hot air those 3 have in them would keep them afloat long enough for some fat ass with a mega-yacht to come rescue them.

 

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To add to my TL;DR above - If Biden is really serious about his "Healing the soul of America" campaign slogan..... one area to start with would be recognizing that when it comes to addressing racial and economic inequality - it should not be a zero sum game.  The current ethos of racial politics is that in order for the black man to rise, we must tear down the white man and make him less.  Take from the rich and give to the poor.  In theory that sounds great..... but in practice it's taking from the poor whites to give to the poor rich.  And because of that resentments build and build.  Blue collar white America has been absolutely ravaged by globalism and "free trade" and they see the fat cats in DC (R and D alike) as not giving a single fuck.  That's why they are latching onto these extremists who are telling them what they want to hear.  While opioids joblessness and poverty are ripping through that demographic like a wrecking ball, all they see their gov't do is cater to and coddle a small slice of the overall US population.  There is no mindset of "a rising tide floats ALL boats".  I even heard a black lady politician on an NPR interview state that she was opposed to Policy or program X because it might help poor white people too.  WTAF?  

So Joe - if you really want to heal the soul of the nation..... recognize, acknowledge and do something about ALL the folks who are hurting and struggling out there.  Not just those prized POC constituents.  Remember, many of most of them used to be Dems and switched because you turned your backs on them.  

Just saying.

 

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DUDE!  I've been saying this exact thing here for years.  I said clearly that when HWSNBN was elected, he was merely a symptom of what's happening to this country.  

We basically have two choices:

1) we need to figure out why there is so much anger, hatred and resentment among that base and attempt to address it through better education, and programs/policies that tackle the root cause of that anger.  Or

2) we can call them ALL deplorables, tell them ALL they are fucking stupid for feeling this way and tell them ALL to fuck off and die.  

One of those choices will begin healing the country.  One of those choices will further divide the country until the United States of 'Murica no longer exists.  

Are there some truly racist, deplorable whackadoos in the GOP?  Of course there are.  More than I ever imagined.  However, I strongly believe that not all or even most of the 74M who voted for shitstain are that way.  I think most are lost and terribly misguided and have been fed a steady diet of BS and lies by the people who will most profit by it.  They've been lied to and literally programmed to believe this way for decades.  It's been the most monstrous and evil mass propaganda machine that would make Goebbels and Stalin look like amateurs.  I was driving across the country out west one day and only could get am stations.  I listened to rush L. for about 5 min and had to turn it off, it was so disgusting.  But the people who are these "deplorables" listen to this shit day in, day out have literally been brainwashed.  Add in all the other RW media personalities who are making serious coin off of this shit and you have a machine that has ruined generations of good decent people.  Couple that with an education system that is so utterly broken that these people can't even see the deep pit they are in.  

The ONLY way out of this, IMHO, is to come up with better alternatives and a better message to counter the propaganda.  Solid education coupled with attempting to address why these folks are so angry and lost.  All the while attempting to cull and marginalize the extremists like MTG, trump, hawley, etc.  But yelling at them and telling them ALL that they are fucking stupid cunts is not the winning SOLution.  
The stupid will always be with us. So I don't think that better education, and programs/policies is going to solve this, especially when confronted with blondes on Fox. Alternatively we could just call the Deplorables nuanced. Think of it as their participation trophy. They earned it.

Now if you actually want a solution, hold people accountable. When people are held accountable, they learn fast. But to borrow from another thread, entitlement is the opposite of accountability, and the Deplorables are hella entitled.

 
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The fastest way to cut much of the anger and hatred would be to lash Hannity, Ingraham and Carlson to a 300-pound cement block and drop it into the Marianas Trench. 
I fully agree with that.  That's one of my central points here.  I vehemently believe that all these RW noise purveyors don't believe a word of what they're spouting off and are doing it only because it's easy money.  MGT didn't just come up with the notion that forest fires were set with jewish space lasers..... someone put that stupid idea into her head.  And that someone is laughing all the way to the bank.  In Nazi Germany the USSR - that sort of propaganda was done to control people in order to gain and maintain power.  The new propagandists are doing it to self enrich.  Unfortunately, lately some have realized they can have both power and $$ - so that is why it's ramped up so much lately.

I don't know how to stop it because "FUCK YOU, 1st Amendment".  Unless that changes, the only other way to counter it is to have a better message as well as better policies to address the reasons these people are so angry and lost.  

Put is this way..... if you are happy, content and fairly stable in your circumstances - you are somewhat immune to the propaganda.  Or at least less susceptible to it.  The reason so many are gobbling this shit up is because they are anything but content, stable and well off.  They are hanging on the edge of collapse just like their black counterparts are in the inner cities.  So they grasp for whatever person(s) out there who at least pays lip service to their plight.  That's why evil so easily is able to gain a foothold there in those poor white hanging by a thread communities - because no one else it talking to them.  Except for the dems who call them stupid, white privileged,  racist cunts.  

 

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Now if you actually want a solution, hold people accountable. When people are held accountable, they learn fast. To borrow from another thread, entitlement is the opposite of accountability, and the Deplorables are hella entitled.
I'm all for holding people accountable for their actions.  Who exactly do you want to hold accountable for what, and how specifically do you suggest we do that?  Serious question, because your statement "holding people accountable" is a very broad and vague statement.  

 

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I'm all for holding people accountable for their actions.  Who exactly do you want to hold accountable for what, and how specifically do you suggest we do that?  Serious question, because your statement "holding people accountable" is a very broad and vague statement.  
Take the 2A for example. It's not even a privilege; it's an entitlement. The NRA jealously defends that entitlement even for felons, domestic abusers, ... Now, holding people accountable means that when they fuck up they get their toys taken away. Entitlement means they don't. See the difference?

 

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Georgia has a new congresswoman in Marjorie Taylor Greene. Some are embarrassed. Others not so much.

For more than eight months, John Cowan has been something of a lone voice in northwest Georgia, warning fellow conservatives that Marjorie Taylor Greene is an extremist with a dangerous track record of espousing fringe conspiracy theories. A neurosurgeon who ran against Greene in the 14th Congressional District’s August Republican primary runoff — and lost by a wide margin — Cowan has not been at all surprised to hear mounting calls for her expulsion from the House during the few weeks since she was sworn in to represent the rural northwest corner of the state. “A lot of people call me and say, ‘Wow, we didn’t know she was really going to be this way!’” Cowan said. “We knew what we were getting.”

During the campaign, Cowan said, a lot of people said: “John, you know, we’ve seen people like you before, smart, whatever, and they’ve just never been able to get anything done. We need somebody who’s going to be a flamethrower up there.”

Even some Republicans who voted for her were rolling their eyes. “What she says seems so far-fetched,” said Blenda Laird, a 58-year-old laundry room attendant who voted for Greene thinking she was down to earth and would take a stand against crooked, rich politicians. “I don’t know. I think she’s turning a little too radical on me now.”
Proof that people get the government they deserve.

 

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Take the 2A for example. It's not even a privilege; it's an entitlement. The NRA jealously defends that entitlement even for felons, domestic abusers, ... Now, holding people accountable means that when they fuck up they get their toys taken away. Entitlement means they don't. See the difference?
I clearly see the difference and I completely disagree with the NRA's position that there should be no restrictions on gun ownership, especially for felons and Domestic violence abusers.  I have loudly and clearly called for specific common sense restrictions on gun ownership in order to ensure that only the responsible people are able to enjoy that entitlement.  And when someone violates that trust, that they be held accountable and have their toys removed.  

So, now that I've cleared that up for you..... can you please actually answer my question as to what specifically you would do to hold the deplorables accountable and for what actions you want to hold them accountable for?  

 

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1) we need to figure out why there is so much anger, hatred and resentment among that base and attempt to address it through better education, and programs/policies that tackle the root cause of that anger.  
There was a pretty good thread on this a while back.  I think it is fairly well understood.  

Both of the major parties have been pandering to their campaign financiers for so long that the people no longer trust their government.  The R's have captured the "big government sucks" crowd even though they just line their pockets the same way the D's do.  Right now on Gab there is a front page post complaining that AOC is about to become a millionaire (true?  who knows? what about MM's millions?) but it helps to explain where their heads are at.

It was significant that Trump lied to them about using his own money to finance his campaign. I think that, and the lie that he was going to drain the swamp, and bring jobs back to middle America, got Trump a lot of votes.  Trump's anti-immigration policies and sham renegotiation of trade deals fed into the jobs issue as well. 

In summary, the people want politicians who aren't slaves to corporate backers, and they want decent jobs to put food on the table for their families.  Those 74 million or so Americans who voted for Trump were voting for that.  They sure didn't get what they wanted, and that's why Trump lost the election.

 

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I fully agree with that.  That's one of my central points here.  I vehemently believe that all these RW noise purveyors don't believe a word of what they're spouting off and are doing it only because it's easy money.  MGT didn't just come up with the notion that forest fires were set with jewish space lasers..... someone put that stupid idea into her head.  And that someone is laughing all the way to the bank.  In Nazi Germany the USSR - that sort of propaganda was done to control people in order to gain and maintain power.  The new propagandists are doing it to self enrich.  Unfortunately, lately some have realized they can have both power and $$ - so that is why it's ramped up so much lately.

I don't know how to stop it because "FUCK YOU, 1st Amendment".  Unless that changes, the only other way to counter it is to have a better message as well as better policies to address the reasons these people are so angry and lost.  

Put is this way..... if you are happy, content and fairly stable in your circumstances - you are somewhat immune to the propaganda.  Or at least less susceptible to it.  The reason so many are gobbling this shit up is because they are anything but content, stable and well off.  They are hanging on the edge of collapse just like their black counterparts are in the inner cities.  So they grasp for whatever person(s) out there who at least pays lip service to their plight.  That's why evil so easily is able to gain a foothold there in those poor white hanging by a thread communities - because no one else it talking to them.  Except for the dems who call them stupid, white privileged,  racist cunts.  
I've never heard of the Jewish space lasers before. She may have come up with that all by herself. IOW she's may be certifiable.  

Nevertheless you are right about propaganda's effect on the current generation of adults. Stems from two things, underlying discontent and the popularity of WWE style journalism. It's a highly successful business model. The reason she got elected is there are so many people who only look at the letter behind someone's name when they vote.  

 

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So, now that I've cleared that up for you..... can you please actually answer my question as to what specifically you would do to hold the deplorables accountable and for what actions you want to hold them accountable for?  
You will never get an answer addressing the point. Olsonist is great at polemic and the 'soo unfair' side of things. But proposing solutions that might get criticised? Nah. Easier to just bitch.

FKT

 

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To add to my TL;DR above - If Biden is really serious about his "Healing the soul of America" campaign slogan..... one area to start with would be recognizing that when it comes to addressing racial and economic inequality - it should not be a zero sum game.  The current ethos of racial politics is that in order for the black man to rise, we must tear down the white man and make him less.  Take from the rich and give to the poor.  In theory that sounds great..... but in practice it's taking from the poor whites to give to the poor rich.  And because of that resentments build and build.  Blue collar white America has been absolutely ravaged by globalism and "free trade" and they see the fat cats in DC (R and D alike) as not giving a single fuck.  That's why they are latching onto these extremists who are telling them what they want to hear.  While opioids joblessness and poverty are ripping through that demographic like a wrecking ball, all they see their gov't do is cater to and coddle a small slice of the overall US population.  There is no mindset of "a rising tide floats ALL boats".  I even heard a black lady politician on an NPR interview state that she was opposed to Policy or program X because it might help poor white people too.  WTAF?  

So Joe - if you really want to heal the soul of the nation..... recognize, acknowledge and do something about ALL the folks who are hurting and struggling out there.  Not just those prized POC constituents.  Remember, many of most of them used to be Dems and switched because you turned your backs on them.  

Just saying.
Such bullshit. 

 




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