Maybe Storming The Capitol Wasn't Such A Good Idea

Dog 2.0

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I'd offer it is like murder charges. The premeditation (conspiring with others) takes it up a notch, or two.
I don't know, to me planning to commit a murder is less serious than committing a murder and planning to overthrow the government is less serious than attempting to overthrow the government..
 

jhc

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And seditious conspiracy is good for twice the time as insurrection, but that’s just what the statutes say.
Not "just"...
Conspiracy is the worst act. shows malice, and forethought. Much worse than an act of "passion". The whole idea is that the act was planned to occur, the fact that it didn't is not relevant.
Like if you and/or an accomplice bought a gun expressly to kill a person, and when you pulled the trigger it didn't fire. A mechanical failure does not mitigate your, or your accomplice's intent.
It's not well understood by the average person, and is not an easy prosecution. Though it is the basis of law, and when it is successfully prosecuted is a big deterrent to others intent on bad action.
 

Bus Driver

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I don't know, to me planning to commit a murder is less serious than committing a murder and planning to overthrow the government is less serious than attempting to overthrow the government..
You are being intentionally obtuse. Or, you’re stupid.

The analogy I used supposes, in each instance, a murder was committed. In one case, it was planned and premeditated. In the other, it was not.

Or, are you saying you see that scenario as premeditating a murder, without carrying out the plan, and actually murdering someone as having been comparable?
 

Mark_K

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Unless it's a mandatory sentence I don't think 20 years is called for, hopefully he will do less time than that.

Have to look at the whole picture, which includes the extraordinary condition of the guy not just following the encouragement of American's #1 News source (FOX) but the encouragement of nothing less than the President of the United States himself. The CIC of the US armed forces told him the election was stolen, and a coup had taken place.

Somewhere between five and ten, I reckon.
 

jhc

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What these guys did was buy guns, ammo, and other weapons to use in their "insurrection". Then they used that act to convince others they were serious about "stopping the steal". That got a lot of people excited, and willing to buy into storming the capital on Jan.6.
When they left the weapons on the other side of the river, instead of bringing them to the capital it relieved them of the serious charge of murder. And they knew conspiracy would be much harder to pin on them, as they are followers of the courts. There will be appeals, and if the resident made the Whitehouse again they would be pardoned.
The shills and marks that did storm the capital did so under the false belief that the resident, and the oath keepers, et al would be with them. they acted with passion, not forethought.
That's why they are receiving less time for their crimes.
 

jhc

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Unless it's a mandatory sentence I don't think 20 years is called for, hopefully he will do less time than that.

Have to look at the whole picture, which includes the extraordinary condition of the guy not just following the encouragement of American's #1 News source (FOX) but the encouragement of nothing less than the President of the United States himself. The CIC of the US armed forces told him the election was stolen, and a coup had taken place.

Somewhere between five and ten, I reckon.
Ha, ha.
Is that your life philosophy? That if you do something bad because someone asked you to that it's not your own fault, responsibility? You're a victim!
You are deluded.
Must be someone else's fault...
 

Raz'r

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I don't know, to me planning to commit a murder is less serious than committing a murder and planning to overthrow the government is less serious than attempting to overthrow the government..
So, in your mind, Hitler wasn't culpable cause he was just "planning."

Yeah, they reserve the strongest penalties for the planners, cause without them, nothing would have happened.
 

Dog 2.0

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You are being intentionally obtuse. Or, you’re stupid.

The analogy I used supposes, in each instance, a murder was committed. In one case, it was planned and premeditated. In the other, it was not.

Or, are you saying you see that scenario as premeditating a murder, without carrying out the plan, and actually murdering someone as having been comparable?
For your analogy to be accurate there would have to have been an insurrection. There was no insurrection, no one has even been charged with insurrection, let alone convicted.
 
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