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Maybe Storming The Capitol Wasn't Such A Good Idea

SloopJonB

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The age he will be during the years he will spend in prison exactly correspond to the part of my life I spent restoring a Columbia 43.

In fact I retired younger than he will be when he gets out.

Stupid really can be expensive can't it?
 

SloopJonB

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I heard somewhere that a federal sentence in the States is exactly what it says - no time off for good behaviour and so forth - you do the full boat.

Is that in fact the case?
 

Steam Flyer

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The age he will be during the years he will spend in prison exactly correspond to the part of my life I spent restoring a Columbia 43.

In fact I retired younger than he will be when he gets out.

Stupid really can be expensive can't it?

Stupid is supposed to be painful.

Seperation of decision/action from consequences is a big part of why the USA is going off the rails. A lot more people look at this as "political persecution" so it's likely that the lesson is not doing much good.
 

Bus Driver

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Speaker McCarthy -



The response from the defeated ex-President -

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Bristol-Cruiser

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This isn't helpful altho I do not disagree, however simplistic this is. And it is. Real change is needed. Here's an example of a much different kind of thinking from in the trenches.

There's always a bunch of talk about class sizes. Obviously the lower the ratio, the more teacher time is available per student. Thing is, most kids don't need that extra time or much of it. And some kids need a lot ... to the extreme of individual tutoring. This becomes apparent to classroom teachers almost immediately.

One fix: In a suburban setting of 30 kids in 7th grade classrooms, ~ 25 of them could be sent to the auditorium with the selected other 25 from other classes, and let's say you get 100 7th graders together and one teacher presents a lesson. These 100 have been selected by their grade level academic ability and their reasonable behavior. The presentation goes forward, the kids all pay attention and glean what they glean.
I understand what you are getting at but it is too simplistic. The 100 kids cannot be taught in this sort of industrial model that might work for older secondary and post-secondary. Many of the 100 do, in fact, need teacher attention even if they are being successful and not disruptive. In grade 7, with the hormones starting to rage it would be 'interesting' to say the least.
That leaves 3 teachers available to present and tutor the 20 kids who are not at grade level or are behavioral problems. I picked 7th graders because that's kind of the worst age but I bet they wouldn't be that way in class if we started this in First grade.
I agree with your comments about 7th grade but hard to imagine it working in grade 1, might be more possible in grades 11 and 12 but there is a huge structural problem. - as building structures. You say send the kids to the auditorium but you are going to have more than one or two of these large groupings at any given time and you don't have the large spaces to accommodate them. One problem with most schools is that they have physical spaces designed to accommodate at most 35 or so kids. You could, for example, have grade 12 math classes of 75 or so (with tutorial support at another time) but you have no spaces for these larger classes - that would allow smaller classes elsewhere unless you are going to do costly school renovations.
Beat me with a baton but two main issues in teaching are student readiness and behavior. Kids from poverty are often ill prepared as we know, and catching up is difficult. These kids are very likely to act out and basically fuck up the experience for others. I suspect this would put significant social pressure on the jackoffs to straighten up and some of them might.
My career was at schools at two extremes - for a time at what was likely most inner city school in Canada followed by many years at an upper middle suburban school that was mainly immigrant families very much focussed on academic achievement. The student needs in the two schools were often very different but they were real in both. Some people and governments seem to think that teaching is something that can be systemized with the same process being applied everywhere. Spent a couple of hours talking to my conservative MPP about their ed policies. His example of their approach was that they were going to find out who taught Hamlet in the best way possible and then get everyone to teach it in the same way. For so many reasons that just could not work. Teaching at its best is an art. Two teachers, in two settings, may teach Hamlet in completely different ways - and both can be wonderfully effective. The problem with teaching as an art for educational bureaucrats and politicians is that the process is much less controllable.

My comments are based on high school and from a Canadian context. I am assuming the lessons are similar elsewhere. See specifics above.
 

Mrleft8

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Teachers engaging the students' interest, in anyway that they can is key. Staying in focus on the end goal is also key. My best teachers made learning fun, not a chore to be completed by Tuesday at 10AM.
Of course, class can't always be a playground with Robin Williams bounding in through the window dressed up like Jean Lafitte, but it also doesn't have to be the drone of a bumblebee from Sept to June with no zip.

I had a math teacher in Freshman year HS that was brilliant. He had awards, and presidential medals and I literally could not stay awake for more than 10 minutes in his class.
 

billsreef

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Teachers engaging the students' interest, in anyway that they can is key. Staying in focus on the end goal is also key. My best teachers made learning fun, not a chore to be completed by Tuesday at 10AM.
Of course, class can't always be a playground with Robin Williams bounding in through the window dressed up like Jean Lafitte, but it also doesn't have to be the drone of a bumblebee from Sept to June with no zip.

I had a math teacher in Freshman year HS that was brilliant. He had awards, and presidential medals and I literally could not stay awake for more than 10 minutes in his class.

My high school physics teacher worked on the philosophy of "repetition is the mother of learning". I would routinely dose off in class from the boredom. He would wake me up with a question, and I always came up with the right answer. Yeah, the repetition worked, but it was boring as hell. In college I had a physics professor that did not do the reputation thing. Kept it interesting. He also gave points for telling him bad jokes. I did well in that class without ever dosing off.
 

Sol Rosenberg

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My high school physics teacher worked on the philosophy of "repetition is the mother of learning". I would routinely dose off in class from the boredom. He would wake me up with a question, and I always came up with the right answer. Yeah, the repetition worked, but it was boring as hell. In college I had a physics professor that did not do the reputation thing. Kept it interesting. He also gave points for telling him bad jokes. I did well in that class without ever dosing off.
I fell into a particularly deep sleep in class once, to the point that I was disoriented when I woke up, and didn’t realize where I was until after I yawned, stretched, and ripped a trumpet solo of a fart. Never fell asleep in class again.
 
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