Melbourne Big Boat Fleet

[mexican]

Didn't think Scarlett was a TP - is this TP regatta open to any boat around that size ?

Scarlett is the exception in this list. Definitely not a TP52 but does rate approximately the same.

Given they are using an handicap system which accomodates build year I guess it's not that hard to manufacture one for Scarlett.

The more the merrier.

Mex

 

[left hook]

What boat is Beau Geste racing?

 

[minch]

Interesting- sail world article today says that Scarlett has the same hull as Artemis: http://www.sail-world.com/Australia/Of-52%27s,-Dalts-on-AC72%27s,-Vendee,-Kitesurfing-and-more/106323

"Seven of them are the famed Transpac 52s (TP52) and then there is one invited vessel, Rob Date’s Reichel-Pugh penned, Scarlet Runner. This particular craft shares her hull design with the TP, Artemis, which is another vessel of the class that so famously charges around the waters near some of the Mediterranean’s most glamorous ports."

Is that really the case? So is Scarlett like Georgia (And TNZ/Hooligan)- same hull as a "proper TP52" but with better accomodation & other small tweaks?

 

[left hook]

Like powered winches?

 

[Flippin Out]

What boat is Beau Geste racing?

Pretty sure I read somewhere here that Karl Kwok bought Bribon, which was then chartered by the Yendys boys for Hammo last year ?

 

[Torsten]

What boat is Beau Geste racing?

Pretty sure I read somewhere here that Karl Kwok bought Bribon, which was then chartered by the Yendys boys for Hammo last year ?

Is that the one that was on the hard at SYC recently? Had 'Team Beau Geste, Road Harbour HK' on the transom?

 

[Chucky]

Interesting- sail world article today says that Scarlett has the same hull as Artemis: http://www.sail-worl...and-more/106323

"Seven of them are the famed Transpac 52s (TP52) and then there is one invited vessel, Rob Date’s Reichel-Pugh penned, Scarlet Runner. This particular craft shares her hull design with the TP, Artemis, which is another vessel of the class that so famously charges around the waters near some of the Mediterranean’s most glamorous ports."

Is that really the case? So is Scarlett like Georgia (And TNZ/Hooligan)- same hull as a "proper TP52" but with better accomodation & other small tweaks?

Rob Date decision to commision Reichel-Pugh for this design was a good one, but has all the build structural (delamination )issues been resolved? The latest generation TP52s appear to have an IRC rating advantage at the moment. The Southern Cross cup this weekend appears to have addressed this issue with a age rating allowance which will be interesting to see if it evens up the ratings?.

 

[AVID]

Interesting- sail world article today says that Scarlett has the same hull as Artemis: http://www.sail-worl...and-more/106323

"Seven of them are the famed Transpac 52s (TP52) and then there is one invited vessel, Rob Date’s Reichel-Pugh penned, Scarlet Runner. This particular craft shares her hull design with the TP, Artemis, which is another vessel of the class that so famously charges around the waters near some of the Mediterranean’s most glamorous ports."

Is that really the case? So is Scarlett like Georgia (And TNZ/Hooligan)- same hull as a "proper TP52" but with better accomodation & other small tweaks?

Rob Date decision to commision Reichel-Pugh for this design was a good one, but has all the build structural (delamination )issues been resolved? The latest generation TP52s appear to have an IRC rating advantage at the moment. The Southern Cross cup this weekend appears to have addressed this issue with a age rating allowance which will be interesting to see if it evens up the ratings?.

The first couple of boats will get richer as the older slightly slower boats will be getting disturbed air up the beats. The age allowance better be healthy.

 

[SPORTSCAR]

What boat is Beau Geste racing?

Pretty sure I read somewhere here that Karl Kwok bought Bribon, which was then chartered by the Yendys boys for Hammo last year ?

Beau Geste is ex Bribon and was originally Matador (2009) according to the list on the TP52 website.

 

[Flippin Out]

It seems this TP Southern Cross Cup was a ragging success by all accounts. Back to basics if you can afford one. Perhaps the Geelong organisers should take some notes and see what works and what makes people happy.

 

[Doh !]

Pretty hard to compare a regatta with 8 boats all worth circa $750k & with a fair proportion of paid hands, to a regatta with 300 boats mostly crewed by "weekend warriors"

In any case the "organisors", aka Newtack are responsible for both events.

Hats off to them, SYC & the competiters though - a good inititave & well run by all reports.

Cheers

 

[Flippin Out]

Pretty hard to compare a regatta with 8 boats all worth circa $750k & with a fair proportion of paid hands, to a regatta with 300 boats mostly crewed by "weekend warriors"

In any case the "organisors", aka Newtack are responsible for both events.

Hats off to them, SYC & the competiters though - a good inititave & well run by all reports.

Cheers

Wasn't trying to compare the two regattas as you quite rightly pointed out they are poles apart. I was more making the point that the organisers listened to what the owners/sailors wanted and it happened and everyone was happy and it was an overwhelming success.

 

[mexican]

Pretty hard to compare a regatta with 8 boats all worth circa $750k & with a fair proportion of paid hands, to a regatta with 300 boats mostly crewed by "weekend warriors"

In any case the "organisors", aka Newtack are responsible for both events.

Hats off to them, SYC & the competiters though - a good inititave & well run by all reports.

Cheers

New Tack are the event organisers for both Geelong and the Southern Cross Cup, you're correct. However, in neither case are they the decision makers. RGYC and the TP52 owners assoc determine the construct of their respective events. New Tack just make the events happen as requested.

You're barking up the wrong tree if you think New Tack decide what happens at the Festival of Sails. They make it happen and do a great job.

Interesting to see that Matador / Bribon / Beau Geste giving the new version TP52's a touch up. Probably helps that Gavin Brady was steering.

Great concept all round. Looking to get 10 boats for the April edition back at SYC. Likely to see the same numbers in Sydney for the two remaining events. Amazing to think that Key West regatta only had five boats on their start line.

Mex

 

[Flatbag]

With respect guys, the "organisers" listened to the needs of those extremely well heeled TP owners running a closed event for their own 8 boats. And yes it was a very well run and highly succesful regatta... for those 8 boats.

That is a very different proposition to listening or otherwise to the needs of owners of the average 4ksb that fronts up, or increasingly doesn't bother to front up anymore, for the Geelong event.

Now, if they could just apply the same degree of management expertise and attention to the needs of the stakeholders (boat owners) for the Geelong event then maybe there could even be a similar outcome for that regatta. But don't hold your breath...

 

[mexican]

With respect guys, the "organisers" listened to the needs of those extremely well heeled TP owners running a closed event for their own 8 boats. And yes it was a very well run and highly succesful regatta... for those 8 boats.

That is a very different proposition to listening or otherwise to the needs of owners of the average 4ksb that fronts up, or increasingly doesn't bother to front up anymore, for the Geelong event.

Now, if they could just apply the same degree of management expertise and attention to the needs of the stakeholders (boat owners) for the Geelong event then maybe there could even be a similar outcome for that regatta. But don't hold your breath...

To sumarise the complaints about the failings of the FoS regatta:

• cost of entry
  
• cost of accom, food, drinks
  
• Division splits
  
• No passage race for IRC
  
• Friday passage race on a work day and no racing on the Monday public holiday
  

Which of these do you see as being decided by the event organisers (New Tack)?

With respect, none of them. All of these points are determined by the organising authority (RGYC) who are influenced by their key stakeholders (eg. sponsors, Geelong city council, State Govt).

If anyone has a gripe with the cost and format of the FoS, you'll need to influence the club directly or indirectly through their key stakeholders.

Mex

 

[trt131]

With respect guys, the "organisers" listened to the needs of those extremely well heeled TP owners running a closed event for their own 8 boats. And yes it was a very well run and highly succesful regatta... for those 8 boats.

That is a very different proposition to listening or otherwise to the needs of owners of the average 4ksb that fronts up, or increasingly doesn't bother to front up anymore, for the Geelong event.

Now, if they could just apply the same degree of management expertise and attention to the needs of the stakeholders (boat owners) for the Geelong event then maybe there could even be a similar outcome for that regatta. But don't hold your breath...

To sumarise the complaints about the failings of the FoS regatta:

• cost of entry
  
• cost of accom, food, drinks
  
• Division splits
  
• No passage race for IRC
  
• Friday passage race on a work day and no racing on the Monday public holiday
  

Which of these do you see as being decided by the event organisers (New Tack)?

With respect, none of them. All of these points are determined by the organising authority (RGYC) who are influenced by their key stakeholders (eg. sponsors, Geelong city council, State Govt).

If anyone has a gripe with the cost and format of the FoS, you'll need to influence the club directly or indirectly through their key stakeholders.

Mex

First and last dot point, YA for the second last dot point, can hardly blame RGYC for second dot point outside of the venue

 

[??????????]

With respect guys, the "organisers" listened to the needs of those extremely well heeled TP owners running a closed event for their own 8 boats. And yes it was a very well run and highly succesful regatta... for those 8 boats.

That is a very different proposition to listening or otherwise to the needs of owners of the average 4ksb that fronts up, or increasingly doesn't bother to front up anymore, for the Geelong event.

Now, if they could just apply the same degree of management expertise and attention to the needs of the stakeholders (boat owners) for the Geelong event then maybe there could even be a similar outcome for that regatta. But don't hold your breath...

To sumarise the complaints about the failings of the FoS regatta:

• 1. cost of entry --- see below
  
• 2. cost of accom, food, drinks--- accom beyond the control of RGYC, or the local council or the State Govt.
  
• 3. Division splits ---- what do you suggest?
  
• 4. No passage race for IRC --- Their choice
  
• 5. Friday passage race on a work day and no racing on the Monday public holiday --- So race down on the Saturday and don't come home on the Tuesday? Or jump off & leave the delivery back to somebody else?
  

Which of these do you see as being decided by the event organisers (New Tack)?

With respect, none of them. All of these points are determined by the organising authority (RGYC) who are influenced by their key stakeholders (eg. sponsors, Geelong city council, State Govt).

If anyone has a gripe with the cost and format of the FoS, you'll need to influence the club directly or indirectly through their key stakeholders.

Mex

 

[(p)Irate]

Hey ????????, as a regatta event manager myself, is this pie chart an actual reference to FoS 2013? Do you have a chart for revenue?

We're dealing with an issue here with berthing but I am surprised that is 24% of the FoS costs having been there this year. Can you explain? PM would be fine if you don't want to share publicly.

 

[??????????]

 

[dbo]

Anyone know who is apparently looking at the 2012 TP Audi All-for One to join the growing band of boats here in Melb? Is this boat a sistership to Shogun?