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Great to see Nic & the guys give the Sydney siders an ass whooping at the Sydney 47 Regatta.
http://www.cyca.com.au/sysfile/downloads/s47_09ps.pdf
Another note about this regatta from the Sydney Yachts website: Clicky

Nice that they did use any photos of the boat that won the regatta. Sydney Mafia... god they shit me!

Mex
That's bullshit. What a fucking joke. Imagine the uproar if the roles were reversed and it happened here.

 

tiny elf

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Great to see Nic & the guys give the Sydney siders an ass whooping at the Sydney 47 Regatta.
http://www.cyca.com.au/sysfile/downloads/s47_09ps.pdf
Another note about this regatta from the Sydney Yachts website: Clicky

Nice that they did use any photos of the boat that won the regatta. Sydney Mafia... god they shit me!

Mex
Terra never spent enough time around the other boats to give any good photos of the "close" racing.

Thanks for your help Mex. Good to sail with you again.

 

rossco

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Great to see the Doctor and Nurses crewing at Sandy saved one of their own.
Sensational job people.
Here......Here...... A sensational effort from those at the scene when it happened. Well done !!
From the SYC Website

This is a personal account from Chris Waters of last Saturday afternoon on the marina.

To all who were there, those who helped and those who patiently stood aside - many thanks.

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On Saturday 25th October SYC had a great day of racing. We , in Bali Dancer, returned to the pen and cleaned up the boat. Ian Goddard, a man with an interest in our boat , and a great interest in life, declined a beer. Asked why he said he was feeling a bit ordinary. Ian had had a stent (a device that opens a constricted blood vessel) fitted a year or so ago for angina symptoms. We talked about the symptoms of heart attack and he said one of them was pain or soreness in the arms. Now Ian was doing main sheet, and we were short handed so he also helped on head sail and some spinnaker work, so he'd been working hard. So when he said his arms were sore that sort of went with the day! He;d been working hard and there was a lot of rope pulling under pretty heavy loads. I took his pulse. It was 110 at rest which was pretty high, but it was a good, consistent and rhythmic pulse so I didn't get alarmed. We talked further of symptoms, and even though Ian had had his daily aspirin, we decided to give him a disprin (soluble aspirin) and take him to Sandringham hospital just in case. Margie Marks offered to drive him and they departed. Two Minutes later Ian Boon hastened back - "There's a man with a heart attack, the ambulance has been called - come quickly".

Margie had been walking with Ian, and on the fuelling jetty he leant on her - "I'm not feeling well". Margie said "I'll get a wheel barrow and take you to the car" - "Not in front of these people" said Ian. He took three more steps and sank to his knees. Margie manoeuvred him down onto his back and started her level 2 first aid trained response. She checked his airways and screamed for someone to call an ambulance and for someone to go to Row A - Bali Dancer and get me.

My friend, my colleague and part of our team was fighting for his life. Margie was now doing first aid - not on a manikin, or a class mate, but on a friend and crew mate who wasn't taking his turn in a class. He was dying.

I sprinted (as best my aged legs do these days) up to the KKC. By the time I got there Kathy Pollack and Lyn Allen had started CPR and Rob Cuthbertson (a doctor) from Musketeer, had joined them with the serious strength that it takes to bang away at a heart in real life CPR. The shock wave from each of Rob's compressions shot down to Ian's pelvis and echoed back up his body. A heaving sea of gut as the desperate fight for life was played out. Paul Corfield, Duty manager had been summoned by Susan Garvan and arrived with the club defibrulator (a device to stop the trembling, ineffectual beat that heart muscle can go into). Everyone's seen it on TV - "CLEAR - - bang". Shit - its no fun when it's real. Paul quickly fitted the pads according to the instructions and the device played out its preprogrammed instructions. Ian's body convulsed with the high voltage pulse that was shot through his chest. Just like the movies. Except just not like the movies, this was my friend, who was in dreadful danger. His pants were wet from his pee where his bladder had involuntarily released. Kathy Pollack was tasting his vomit as she continued mouth to mouth. His face was becoming increasingly grey. I checked that all that could be done was in hand. Club members were already at the gates to direct ambulances. Another crew from Musketeer was urging anyone who didn't have a serious reason to be there to move on. I shortly after asked Paul Corfield to get the keys to 2 ducks to allow the patient body of members who were waiting at the gates to be ferried to the crane jetty..

The firies and the ambos arrived. Somewhat brutally they asked everyone to move away. They need to take control, they don't know that there may be some highly competent people on the job. Later they asked that their apologies be conveyed. They have no time to be polite!!

Ian had been many minutes without a continuous pulse. Occasional spontaneous breaths, and brief pulse, were desperate signs of a battle, with signs of hope. The paramedics worked quietly and determinedly with all their resources and eventually restored a strong consistent pulse!!

In the mean time, Margie had called Ian's wife Kass. She was in Mount Eliza. Again members where positioned to meet Kass and bring her down to the scene. Marissa McManus, a trained nurse, and member of our safety advisory group on sail committee, was waiting. Kass was with her husband when he finally responded and lifted himself back to the living. The ambos could now stabilise the situation. In the background many of us could now help those who had been in the forefront of this event. Everyone is shocked. In the correct sense of the word. This event was real. There was no time out. There was no "ring a friend". All the people involved did a magnificent job. The staff at the Alfred, (to where Ian was transported), said on Sunday that Ian's being alive when he arrived at the Alfred was due to the prompt, and accurate, and efficient, support he received.

All of us who were closely involved have probably shed a tear or two. It is a shattering experience, yet a gift of unexplainable privilege, to try to save a life.

To those who worked, who supervised, who consoled, who organised, who did whatever it takes, I thank you with all my heart.

At the time of writing I don't know whether I have helped save, or have lost, a friend. But what has struck me profoundly is the way the members of our club responded instinctively and collectively to the most important issue in our lives - life and death. And perhaps this really signifies what we mean to each other as a club.

When it matters, it matters, and we help each other. Whatever it takes.

Ian's wife Kass, asked me to convey her heartfelt thanks to all those involved. And I convey mine, and those of Margie Marks, and Lee Evans.

Thank You.

Chris Waters,

 

mexican

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Terra never spent enough time around the other boats to give any good photos of the "close" racing.Thanks for your help Mex. Good to sail with you again.

Pleasure was all mine. See you at the end of November for the Savills Regatta.

Mex

 
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Flatbag

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Great to see Nic & the guys give the Sydney siders an ass whooping at the Sydney 47 Regatta.
http://www.cyca.com.au/sysfile/downloads/s47_09ps.pdf
Another note about this regatta from the Sydney Yachts website: Clicky

Nice that they did use any photos of the boat that won the regatta. Sydney Mafia... god they shit me!

Mex
Terra never spent enough time around the other boats to give any good photos of the "close" racing.

Thanks for your help Mex. Good to sail with you again.
No doubt Terra was well sailed but how much did the recent major refit and internal modifications together with the weight savings help in this "One Design" regatta?

 

mexican

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No doubt Terra was well sailed but how much did the recent major refit and internal modifications together with the weight savings help in this "One Design" regatta?
Good question. Terra is the only Sydney 47 CR with a carbon rig but this isn't a new addition. Upwind we were smoking the fleet so the boat is stiff and certainly trucks faster and higher than the other boats. I think this is a function of better upwind sails and the rig. In the last race we switched to our heavy and Balance stayed with their medium and we demolished them upwind.

Terra is the only boat without a bow sprit and so we flew sym spinnakers all weekend. Balance had the option of pole or sprit and so used a mix of sym and asym down wind sails. All other boats only had sprits and so only flew asyms. Down wind we were as fast as Balance but I wouldn't say quicker. As the breeze increased we both had an advantage of sailing deeper over the asym only boats.

On the whole, we had solid starts, held our lane and hurt the fleet as much as possible upwind. We didn't take risks on tactics and simply stayed in or out of the current as required and used the headlands to gain lifts. We kept it reasonably clean at the corners; well, as much as anyone did.

They're not OD boats but pretty close. We had an advantage upwind and that was all we needed. Hard to say how much the mods contributed to the result, but given the mods didn't include putting weight into the bulb, I wouldn't have thought they contributed massively. Tops weekend!

Mex

 

Flatbag

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No doubt Terra was well sailed but how much did the recent major refit and internal modifications together with the weight savings help in this "One Design" regatta?
Good question. Terra is the only Sydney 47 CR with a carbon rig but this isn't a new addition. Upwind we were smoking the fleet so the boat is stiff and certainly trucks faster and higher than the other boats. I think this is a function of better upwind sails and the rig. In the last race we switched to our heavy and Balance stayed with their medium and we demolished them upwind.

Terra is the only boat without a bow sprit and so we flew sym spinnakers all weekend. Balance had the option of pole or sprit and so used a mix of sym and asym down wind sails. All other boats only had sprits and so only flew asyms. Down wind we were as fast as Balance but I wouldn't say quicker. As the breeze increased we both had an advantage of sailing deeper over the asym only boats.

On the whole, we had solid starts, held our lane and hurt the fleet as much as possible upwind. We didn't take risks on tactics and simply stayed in or out of the current as required and used the headlands to gain lifts. We kept it reasonably clean at the corners; well, as much as anyone did.

They're not OD boats but pretty close. We had an advantage upwind and that was all we needed. Hard to say how much the mods contributed to the result, but given the mods didn't include putting weight into the bulb, I wouldn't have thought they contributed massively. Tops weekend!

Mex
Thanks, good answer. So I guess no plans to fit a prod & assy set up to TF?

 

mexican

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Thanks, good answer. So I guess no plans to fit a prod & assy set up to TF?
Let's face, the Syd 47 CR is a displacement boat and always will be. you're not going to get better VMG reaching all over the race course. The only reason you'd put a sprit on one is if you do a lot of reaching; which the Sydney boats do. Almost all ocean racing out of Port Jackson is coastal and the inshore stuff is so restricted in the Harbour it has to involve reaching. Not a lot of windward leeward courses being sailed up here by these boats. Hence, they use a sprit for ease of use and a rating advantage.

As per last weekend, it just doesn't always work out that way.

Dunno if Nick is considering it, but I wouldn't.

My 2 cents

Mex

 

theParadoxOfThrift

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I saw a Stanley report on Sail World which claimed Shogun had won the race by a mile ("Shogun has taken provisional first place by an impressive 3 hours 10 minutes and 44 seconds"):

Sail World Article

I then went to ORCV and had a look at the actual results (based on finishing times and IRC handicaps!) and it turns out that Chutzpah thrashed Shogun on IRC by more than an hour in a 27 hour race:

ORCV Stanley Results

After the Terra Firma photograph debacle mentioned on this thread it only goes to highlight the parlous state of Australian yachting journalism.

 

Flatbag

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I saw a Stanley report on Sail World which claimed Shogun had won the race by a mile ("Shogun has taken provisional first place by an impressive 3 hours 10 minutes and 44 seconds"):
Sail World Article

I then went to ORCV and had a look at the actual results (based on finishing times and IRC handicaps!) and it turns out that Chutzpah thrashed Shogun on IRC by more than an hour in a 27 hour race:

ORCV Stanley Results

After the Terra Firma photograph debacle mentioned on this thread it only goes to highlight the parlous state of Australian yachting journalism.
ORCV not entirely blameless either. Check out the Line Honours list - No Chutzpah to be seen there - WTF?

 

OCS

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I saw a Stanley report on Sail World which claimed Shogun had won the race by a mile ("Shogun has taken provisional first place by an impressive 3 hours 10 minutes and 44 seconds"):
Sail World Article

I then went to ORCV and had a look at the actual results (based on finishing times and IRC handicaps!) and it turns out that Chutzpah thrashed Shogun on IRC by more than an hour in a 27 hour race:

ORCV Stanley Results

After the Terra Firma photograph debacle mentioned on this thread it only goes to highlight the parlous state of Australian yachting journalism.
Ok so they made a bit of a blue, obviously pinned in a wrong number for Shogun. But on a positive note the ORCV boys kept press race updates going all day which was great! the orcv is doing a much better job promoting their races than in the past. We met them down there in Stanley sitting in the van on the endof the breakwater taking times in the wee small hours. Rather than knock them for making a mistake,I would thank them for making an effort.

Well done chutzy

 

theParadoxOfThrift

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Ok so they made a bit of a blue, obviously pinned in a wrong number for Shogun. But on a positive note the ORCV boys kept press race updates going all day which was great! the orcv is doing a much better job promoting their races than in the past. We met them down there in Stanley sitting in the van on the endof the breakwater taking times in the wee small hours. Rather than knock them for making a mistake,I would thank them for making an effort. Well done chutzy
I am not knocking ORCV - they do a great job. Melbourne offshore sailing and the calendar for big boat racing is probably the best in the country and ORCV play a huge role in that.

I was having a go a Sail-World.

 

OCS

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Ok so they made a bit of a blue, obviously pinned in a wrong number for Shogun. But on a positive note the ORCV boys kept press race updates going all day which was great! the orcv is doing a much better job promoting their races than in the past. We met them down there in Stanley sitting in the van on the endof the breakwater taking times in the wee small hours. Rather than knock them for making a mistake,I would thank them for making an effort. Well done chutzy
I am not knocking ORCV - they do a great job. Melbourne offshore sailing and the calendar for big boat racing is probably the best in the country and ORCV play a huge role in that.

I was having a go a Sail-World.
OK point taken
 

Flatbag

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Ok so they made a bit of a blue, obviously pinned in a wrong number for Shogun. But on a positive note the ORCV boys kept press race updates going all day which was great! the orcv is doing a much better job promoting their races than in the past. We met them down there in Stanley sitting in the van on the endof the breakwater taking times in the wee small hours. Rather than knock them for making a mistake,I would thank them for making an effort. Well done chutzy
I am not knocking ORCV - they do a great job. Melbourne offshore sailing and the calendar for big boat racing is probably the best in the country and ORCV play a huge role in that.

I was having a go a Sail-World.
Accuracy in journalism, Sail-World and Rob Kothe are words not often associated. Don't think they have too many fans on SA.

Check out their Hobart list if you can be bothered - some hilarious photo bloopers there.

 


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