Michigan's starting to tank.

Grrr...

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It’s not just FL. To bring it back to the OP, how was Jobbie Nooner this year?
Didn't go, and don't usually.  Never bought into the drunk people crowd (though a nice set of boobs is always welcome) .  I go out for the sailing and the quiet.  That's why we've been going out on week days and are starting home today.

 

Sol Rosenberg

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Didn't go, and don't usually.  Never bought into the drunk people crowd (though a nice set of boobs is always welcome) .  I go out for the sailing and the quiet.  That's why we've been going out on week days and are starting home today.
I meant how busy, but of course I didn’t say that....  Looks like it was pretty busy. We gonna have quite a time getting this thing under control. 
 




 

Rok Dog

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The numbers are rising.  And why?  Well, we've been opening up slowly.  But the simple fact is that if you've been out and about the reason isn't because we are opening.  The reason is because we have so many idiots in this state.

Driving down to the boat today, we saw packed birthday parties, cookouts, bars, and restaurants.

We went to get pizza (we cook it in the oven to be safe after we buy it) and not a single one of the people preparing the food was wearing a mask.

Drive by the boat club - huge party.  No distancing.  No masks.

We are fucked.  Sigh.  Because while our governor is doing everything right, a certain group here is doing every thing they can wrong.
It’s been this way since after the first week.  There never been a real shutdown.  It can’t be that big of a deal when The Governors own family doesn’t abide by her directives.   Can’t be that big of a deal when Starbucks and the like are allowed to remain open.  Most here talk about Trump but the states have not set an example other than this is not a big deal.

 

Rok Dog

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A CNN show host who is on the air for an hour each weeknight?  I want what you're smoking.  
Much Governors family who violated her directive to stay home.   Illinois Governor who’s family did the same plus whose wife was was out in public without a mask.  
 

this crap is all over.  Trump doesn’t set the states directions on guarintine, masks, etc.  - the States do.  Open your mind - government and media at ALL levels are sending mixed messages. 
 

 

Grrr...

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Much Governors family who violated her directive to stay home.   Illinois Governor who’s family did the same plus whose wife was was out in public without a mask.  
 

this crap is all over.  Trump doesn’t set the states directions on guarintine, masks, etc.  - the States do.  Open your mind - government and media at ALL levels are sending mixed messages. 
 
No.  You are wrong.

A real president would be following medical advice.  He would be wearing a mask.  As such, he would have a moral high ground to tell these governors to get with reality and to also start wearing masks and pass acts in their states to do the same.

Unfortunately, our president ignores science, and reality.  He makes it up as he goes along.  Which allows people like you and him to *try* to abrogate all responsibility and sit back and try to place blame elsewhere.  A real leader leads by example.  He does so and that makes others follow, or be embarrased.  Donald Trump's actions have done the opposite.

That doesn't mean that state leaders would have to follow his lead - but it does mean that he could stand up and say "These are the states who haven't done what the medical experts are saying needs to be done.  Vote these idiots out of office."

You're giving the president of our country a pass to act however he wants without responsibility.  You drank the Koolaid.  Bigly.

 
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Steam Flyer

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Much Governors family who violated her directive to stay home.   Illinois Governor who’s family did the same plus whose wife was was out in public without a mask.  
 

this crap is all over.  Trump doesn’t set the states directions on guarintine, masks, etc.  - the States do.  Open your mind - government and media at ALL levels are sending mixed messages.
Orange Man GOOD!!!! Orange Man GOOD!!!!!

"Sending mixed messages" yeah right, Trump tossed the Pandemic Response instruction book in the trash and fired the medical scientists who were working to protect America. When the outbreak began, he said it was no problem! Then he ordered an ineffective partial travel ban, then spent the next three months insulting the doctors who tried to get Americans to take precautions. He encouraged rioters with guns demanding FREEDOM ... well, re-opening businesses because they were bored and wanted pizza & haircuts. He not only did NOT use Federal resources to help the states, he actively interfered with states attempts to buy their own emergency supplies.

Trump has been front and center of this pandemic disaster. It's pathetic... and really dumb... to try and defend him.

- DSK

 

Irish River

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At our little cottage on the lake north of Vancouver BC, we have a neighbour from Oregon who just showed up. We will see if he obeys the health order of quarantine for 2 weeks or parties with his cousins a few doors down.  The rural area we are in hasn't had a case since early March, be a shame if he ruined it.  Most of us city folk are very respectful of the rural areas, they don't have hospitals to cope with any cases. 

 

Ishmael

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At our little cottage on the lake north of Vancouver BC, we have a neighbour from Oregon who just showed up. We will see if he obeys the health order of quarantine for 2 weeks or parties with his cousins a few doors down.  The rural area we are in hasn't had a case since early March, be a shame if he ruined it.  Most of us city folk are very respectful of the rural areas, they don't have hospitals to cope with any cases. 
If he breaks quarantine, report him. $1200 fine and probably thrown out of the country.

 

Lark

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He's dual citizen. Can't throw him out. I'm not going to report, I'll leave to our local Karen. 
It’s not a permit for lemonaid,  it’s a public health danger that could affect you or your family.   It’s protecting your community from shutdown and yourself from quarantine.  Reporting him is not being a Karen if you live in a country currently managing the virus.    Without continued vigilance any victory is merely a respite and any province risks becoming Florida, Texas, South Carolina,    If he has mild disease and so do the first couple people he infects, it may escape detection until multiple cases exist.    

 
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One word MASKS...


TWiV 635: Mask hysteria


Daniel Griffin provides a clinical update on COVID-19, then we review SARS-CoV-2 shedding in children, how to resume school safely, the need for widespread testing and wearing face masks, and much more, including listener email.



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Went to Limerick Township Pennsylvania last week, the county we were in was just off the stay at home order for the first time when we got there. Almost 100% mask wearing people in all stores. Went to Philadelphia  to see the Liberty Bell, NO lines, No people, no going into any buildings, National Parks people and 5 others in the area the whole time we are there 1pm til 2pm July 1, 2020. We stood out-side the glass house it is kept in to see it. Every one had a mask in the area as we walked around.

Earlier my wife and daughter walked 2 blocks to see a closed bar from some tv sitcom. not remembering to wear masks they got a wide birth from others and a earful from one guy about the NO MASK problem. Penn. States Gov that morning mandated mask wearing in public. How knew, no me. My other daughter did...the research bio-chemist, one that works with a Virologist who told her about TWIV. 

lm A N95 guy long story about Canada's SARS 1 problems, CBC Radio and wanting to know the northern neighbors better...

 LOL I had 5 - 20 count boxes of N95 masks in the basement before the bats shit on us. most I paid was $4.00 USD a box.at a Minards Clearance rack last year.

Everyone wears a mask in the hard hit areas of Pennsylvania. As we drove west toward home mask wearing decreased. SARS-CoV2 has a happy hunting ground around here and in areas where guns are worn in public and N95s are not.

It will take 14 to 27 days for the bug to make you sick (higher infection rates we are seeing now). Then another 4 to 27 days for you to die if it gets a hi response from your immune system. the dreaded cytokine storm, a cascade of exaggerated immune responses that can cause serious problems leading to DEATH....

Wear a MASK, social space and WASH YOUR DAMED HANDS.

Wear a mask a N95 mask and hope a vaccination works for you before you get sick.

 
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Rok Dog

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At our little cottage on the lake north of Vancouver BC, we have a neighbour from Oregon who just showed up. We will see if he obeys the health order of quarantine for 2 weeks or parties with his cousins a few doors down.  The rural area we are in hasn't had a case since early March, be a shame if he ruined it.  Most of us city folk are very respectful of the rural areas, they don't have hospitals to cope with any cases. 
You risk bringing the virus with you to a rural area knowing they have no hospitals?
 

 

Rok Dog

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Latest info from Michigan website looks pretty good.  Where’s the ‘tanking’ shown in the data?

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Rok Dog

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The rate of positive tests has remained pretty much the same for the past few months as well.  Number of tests per day has gradually increased which shows the slight increase in new cases per day.  Basically nothing has changed except daily deaths has dropped to very few thank God.

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Irish River

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You risk bringing the virus with you to a rural area knowing they have no hospitals?
 
British Columbia has an average of 10 to 15 cases per day for last couple weeks. We are open and doing fine. 

We follow rules and listen to the science professionals, our politicians have let the head public health doc do her job.

 
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