Mini Transat 2017
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Schakel
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Boy Griffioen
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Are there no watermakers/desalinators in use on the mini's? I Guess they would be lighter even with the added solar panels.
LeoV
Super Anarchist
Check the rules, but I think you are allowed hand action pump water maker. Not many will carry one.
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I think the water makers will not work properly, once the boat start to plane.
Paul
Paul
Watermakers run counter to the fundamental spirit of mini 6.5 class and are not allowed. Either pack it or don't drink. Emergency watermakers must be disclosed, approved and sealed.
Watermakers can work on planing racing boats - just need to locate scoop at appropriate place or use weighted intake hose.
LeoV
Super Anarchist
Your sure MIffy,
if you want you can install stuff you like, unless its communication, navigation equipment, you can do.
But watermakers... you really must like a daily shower to install that...
if you want you can install stuff you like, unless its communication, navigation equipment, you can do.
But watermakers... you really must like a daily shower to install that...
The rules specifically address watermakers. Only allowed are emergency and must be approved and sealed.
Many competitive long distance races allow watermakers. If you look at the safe rough rule of 3 liters/100nm; doesn't take a genius to see when 3000+ nm event means 90 kilos of water. If you have the energy reserves like on an IMOCA, a 30 kilo watermakers and 60liter tankage, starts to make competitive sense. Not a stupid shower.
Many competitive long distance races allow watermakers. If you look at the safe rough rule of 3 liters/100nm; doesn't take a genius to see when 3000+ nm event means 90 kilos of water. If you have the energy reserves like on an IMOCA, a 30 kilo watermakers and 60liter tankage, starts to make competitive sense. Not a stupid shower.
Boy Griffioen
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I was wondering because all the ocean rowers don't bring a lot of water. They just carry two or three watermakers. But the weight balance is even worse there. 90KG seems managable. I'm curious though, what about the "spirit" would prevent a watermaker. Too fancy?
The entire mini class is focused on good seamanship with cost containment without preventing boat design experimentation.
No weather file routing. No adrena. Using a watermaker to save fresh water weight? Adds a cost advantage of 6,000 euros that has nothing to do with the boat.
No weather file routing. No adrena. Using a watermaker to save fresh water weight? Adds a cost advantage of 6,000 euros that has nothing to do with the boat.
LeoV
Super Anarchist
Miffy, the Mini rules only talk about emergency watermakers, the handheld ones, but about a non emergency one, no word. But would ask CM before for a ruling.
They can reject it on base of risk your dumping all your water outside of your emergency and making you totally dependable on electronics. Not a smart solution.
Looked in the ocean rowers, it seems they use an electric version like:
http://www.sailfishmarine.co.uk/epages/es139653.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es139653/Products/ECrow
The humanpower put in hand cranked watermakers/desalinators is high.
The electric power needed for electric ones requires you to upgrade your battery capacity and solar panels.
Or go the expensive petrol driven way with Rainmaker, then you just can store a few containers of water.
But hey, if you want to race the minitransat and then cruise the caribbean (very rare but it happened), it could be worth looking into. But if its rejected by the technical committee dont be surprised.
Good book of living in a liferaft and struggling for water,
Adrift: 76 Days Lost At Sea, Callahan (btw was participating in the minitransat, but dropped out 1 leg IIRC)
They can reject it on base of risk your dumping all your water outside of your emergency and making you totally dependable on electronics. Not a smart solution.
Looked in the ocean rowers, it seems they use an electric version like:
http://www.sailfishmarine.co.uk/epages/es139653.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es139653/Products/ECrow
The humanpower put in hand cranked watermakers/desalinators is high.
The electric power needed for electric ones requires you to upgrade your battery capacity and solar panels.
Or go the expensive petrol driven way with Rainmaker, then you just can store a few containers of water.
But hey, if you want to race the minitransat and then cruise the caribbean (very rare but it happened), it could be worth looking into. But if its rejected by the technical committee dont be surprised.
Good book of living in a liferaft and struggling for water,
Adrift: 76 Days Lost At Sea, Callahan (btw was participating in the minitransat, but dropped out 1 leg IIRC)
Boy Griffioen
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https://www.katadyn.com/en/de/102-8013438-katadyn-powersurvivor-40e-12-v
This one runs on 4 amps or human power. About 48W So i guess a extra solar panel of 70Wp would make this thing run on an average day. Battery capacity would not change that much. You could make it operate on direct sunlight and even have enough water for some washing.
So for about 4K you would be set. And save about 90Kg of weight on the second leg of the transat.
I would definitly call that a boat performance upgrade .
And this one for backup
https://www.echomax.co.uk/aquamate-solar-stills.html
This one runs on 4 amps or human power. About 48W So i guess a extra solar panel of 70Wp would make this thing run on an average day. Battery capacity would not change that much. You could make it operate on direct sunlight and even have enough water for some washing.
So for about 4K you would be set. And save about 90Kg of weight on the second leg of the transat.
I would definitly call that a boat performance upgrade .
And this one for backup
https://www.echomax.co.uk/aquamate-solar-stills.html
svendson
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For anyone else looking for mini content, I've been enjoying this blog about the road to this year's Transat and the first leg experience. Much tighter focus on sailing and sailing related things than the usual diary type of writing one gets with such adventure blogs.
http://www.adriatic-atlantic.com
http://www.adriatic-atlantic.com
