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MORC wasn't around here when I started racing, so please excuse my ignorance...

N/M designed the boat in this thread and the 30/30 in about '81, both to the upper limits of the MORC rule. Why does one rate about 90 and the other 114-120? It can't all be Schock's fault, can it? What accounts for the almost 30 second delta?

 

Hitchhiker

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MORC wasn't around here when I started racing, so please excuse my ignorance...
N/M designed the boat in this thread and the 30/30 in about '81, both to the upper limits of the MORC rule. Why does one rate about 90 and the other 114-120? It can't all be Schock's fault, can it? What accounts for the almost 30 second delta?
I think your answer would be better answered in a comparison of the boats MORC ratings. What sort of difference was there then? Not knowing much about MORC, I would hazard a guess that a stripped out MORC rater would rate much faster than a Racer cruiser MORC rater.

 
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I think your answer would be better answered in a comparison of the boats MORC ratings. What sort of difference was there then? Not knowing much about MORC, I would hazard a guess that a stripped out MORC rater would rate much faster than a Racer cruiser MORC rater.
Hmm, I thought MORC had an upper limit that the 30'ers were designed to? Was that a size limit or a rating limit? Did the 30'ers race level or handicapped?

 

Heriberto

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I think your answer would be better answered in a comparison of the boats MORC ratings. What sort of difference was there then? Not knowing much about MORC, I would hazard a guess that a stripped out MORC rater would rate much faster than a Racer cruiser MORC rater.
Hmm, I thought MORC had an upper limit that the 30'ers were designed to? Was that a size limit or a rating limit? Did the 30'ers race level or handicapped?
MORC was up to 30' LOA until the late 90's(?) or so. Then it went to (I think) 32' so Mumm30's (har) and similar boats could race in the rule.

That didn't keep it from dying.

The Mirage 34 would have never been a MORC boat, but the price and rating are similar(ish).

 

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I think your answer would be better answered in a comparison of the boats MORC ratings. What sort of difference was there then? Not knowing much about MORC, I would hazard a guess that a stripped out MORC rater would rate much faster than a Racer cruiser MORC rater.
Hmm, I thought MORC had an upper limit that the 30'ers were designed to? Was that a size limit or a rating limit? Did the 30'ers race level or handicapped?
My understanding is that MORC ratings are expressed in feet, ala IOR. The class had an upper level LOA of 30'. The boats raced on handicap, in different classes.

 

Heriberto

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The Mirage 34 would have never been a MORC boat, but the price and rating are similar(ish).
Sorry didn't mean to infer it was a MORC boat, I was just thinking about bang for the buck. A 4500 lbs 34' boat could be a lot of fun - old or new.
A 4500 lbs 34' boat might well be a lot of fun. The Mirage 34 has a displacement of 6670 according to it's Americap rating.

 

sinner

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I raced on Tin Man in the mid to late 80s at the Intergalactic champs. Wow! A machine upwind and fast DW even with her displacement. Absolutely crushed in the light stuff and just fine as the breeze built.

Remember, she's aluminum (well built!!!) but she needs to be inspected big time! If she's OK from a structural standpoint, this is a goddam weapon rating around 90!

I wonder if she has a trailer and floorboards.

Oh yeah, one good look at that rig and you will go all gooey and creamy inside. And she has really pretty lines.

 

Heriberto

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The aluminum would definitely be a concern to me too. I know Betts is a very high-quality builder (I've raced on more than one of his boats), but this is a no inspection sale. I don't even know if I would trust a Palmer Johnson (rip) boat given that. You have to know what you are doing (including exactly what alloys you are working with) and have the knowledge and equipment to do it once you start dealing with aluminum repairs.

Peeling paint, no problem.

Rotted plate or structural welds, big problem.

 

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Last I knew, she had a trailer. And that was when the current owner parked her in my back yard for a few weeks after the Bermuda 1-2. The trailer was somewhat beat up, but it was functional at the time. I assume the owner still has it.

I tried to avoid going below, but the one time I was down there I don't remember any floor boards....but I don't know why you would want them. The interior of that boat is not meant for lounging in.

She was certainly a weapon in the Bermuda 1-2. She inflicted pain on both the skipper and the other boats... just different kinds of pain.

I can't vouch one way or another about her condition. It seemed fine at the time I last saw her, but I think that was 4 years ago.

 

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The Mirage 34 would have never been a MORC boat, but the price and rating are similar(ish).
Sorry didn't mean to infer it was a MORC boat, I was just thinking about bang for the buck. A 4500 lbs 34' boat could be a lot of fun - old or new.
A 4500 lbs 34' boat might well be a lot of fun. The Mirage 34 has a displacement of 6670 according to it's Americap rating.
sorry again I just got my info from here:

sailboat data

and here

us sailing

 

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Galaxy Girl (then Wolfpack) was a MORC 30-footer designed by Jim Donovan that was built at Waterrat in 1986, raced the MORC Nationals that year and rated 84 in SF subsequently. I think the last year it raced was 1991 before I got it.
I'm always eager for first hand accounts since I never was told squat by previous owner (squat that was accurate anyway).

So I'm hijacking this thread it seems. Oh well!

Back on topic: I would second the earlier remark about hoping no change was dropped below, and that it could be rock solid and it could be a ton of work. Very interesting boat, and I do hope it gets sold for that amount because it seems to me in that condition it is a good chunk of change. Although salvage cost in just the metal would be probably that amount, so hard to lose money. In theory....
Wolfpup was a Dono development of the Mexican-built Peterson 30s he worked on when he was with Doug. Ed can tell you more about MORC boats of that era than I can, but I do remember Wolfpup (they also had an old Serendipity 43 called Wolfpack) being fast and poorly sailed. Sometimes they were beat on the water by J/29s, despite rating much faster. I expect it is a pretty good boat, as it was designed more to go fast than to rate well.

Tin Man...Run as fast and far as you can! Why would anyone want an alloy 4ksb? A welder?

 




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