Most egregious cheats?

Grande Mastere Dreade

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Cristoforo said:
Also having a minimum 3 point adjustment is stupid.  Why not 1 or 2 or 4 or 5 points? 3 points is 10% on a J111 versus 3 pct on a shitbox  they are racing against 

we had two requests for protests and asking for a physical measurement of 2 competitor boats sail dimensions. . Both protests were asked for by members of the area  PHRF Comm against boats they raced and lost against the weekend before.   With no basis  other than a hunch the sails were too big. You can't make this stuff up. Thats the best advertisement for ORR.  
Not all areas have min 3 sec hits.  Locally, we have sail area adjustments in 3 sec increments.  Other adjustments can be as little as 1 second.  i.e. a local Dash has a 1 sec adj for an open transom - not sure why other than just to do something.  Apparently the conversion actually added a bit of weight.  

 

Steam Flyer

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Excuse my racing ignorance here. Whats the rule being flaunted here? (Aiding sail directly/beyond confines of the deck/gear.. Pumping the sail?)

New to racing. Thanks. 
Crew substantially outside the lifelines, using the standing rigging for support.

I would guess they are getting ready either to gybe the spinnaker or take it down. If a takedown, the jib is not up yet so flying the guy (using the the human body as a spinnaker pole to get a few more moments of power out of the spinnaker) is really really premature.

The best cheat I personally have indulged in was taking the screws out of a competitors rudder, after he ran us down on the race course not once but twice then lied his ass off in a protest hearing. My wife was crewing with me and she dissuaded me from taking more strong and direct steps. In a way, this was better because it fucked him over for the whole travel series. >25 years ago so now I can tell it.....

FB- Doug

 

longy

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not a racing cheat, but taxation: a guy hired his own crew & had a 40' Lapworth design built. Aluminum through out. Hollow keel profile, filled with tungsten (powder?millings?) in an oil solution. At some point after his death, kids can haul the boat, cut the keel open & have 4 tons of tungsten to sell. Fill the keel cavity back up with lead, re-launch boat.

 

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Crew substantially outside the lifelines, using the standing rigging for support.

I would guess they are getting ready either to gybe the spinnaker or take it down. If a takedown, the jib is not up yet so flying the guy (using the the human body as a spinnaker pole to get a few more moments of power out of the spinnaker) is really really premature.

The best cheat I personally have indulged in was taking the screws out of a competitors rudder, after he ran us down on the race course not once but twice then lied his ass off in a protest hearing. My wife was crewing with me and she dissuaded me from taking more strong and direct steps. In a way, this was better because it fucked him over for the whole travel series. >25 years ago so now I can tell it.....

FB- Doug
Thanks for the explanation.

And the indirect heads up on justifiable vengeance for a running down. :D

 

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Cristoforo said:
We tried to get 1 second increments but apparently it’s written in the Old Testament somewhere  we could not. Sometimes Change is hard for people who have been running a PHRF committee for 35 years and don’t race.  
I believe the 3 sec thing was derived from the old phrf handicaps based on minutes/mile rather than sec/mile.  PHRF handicap increments were .05 min/mile or 3 sec/mile.  For example my old HF 27 was 2.25 but when they went with sec/mile, it became 135

That was in the late 80s or early 90s in our area.

 
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George Hackett

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Before it was known as IRC, it was called CHS. During that time, a 1/4 tonner here in Manila had the IOR bustle filled in.  So I asked the owner if he notified CHS for a new rating TCF? He snorted.  Went out and cleaned up. So I cleaned up his rating by notifying CHS with photos. 

his rating was adjusted upward, he shrugged his shoulders, then sold the P.O.S.!

did he learn? So he buys a Sydney36 from an owner that ran a pro program which under PYS awarded them a high rating. So rightly he asked his rating to be adjusted for an amateur crew. So done.  After several bad races, he asks for another adjustment. Well,,,ok, done. 

then, coming off the start line just to leeward of this boat, I noticed that his Genoa was sheeted to the gunnel and not to the proper inboard Genoa track.  Yup, you guessed it. Another adjustment request!  DENIED 

he later starts playing with the keel, again without notifying IRC.  By this point, he just could never win. No matter how he cheated. He just sucked as a sailor. He was not banned since sailing then was too small to loose a boat.  
 

we had another owner who sold his boat. That boat was weighed and came in 500kg lighter and the new owner was pissed.  This same owner later sold his second boat that turns out that Wire Shrouds were declared in the IRC Cert., not SS Rods that the boat is rigged with.  Huge rating increase for another new owner.  

And there is more.  So sad that one boat owner, refuses to race in a particular bay knowing the cheating that goes on.  And surprisingly, the amount of effort that goes into cheating could make one a better sailor.  

 

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Svanen

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The amount of effort that goes into cheating could make one a better sailor.  
^^^ This ^^^

Cristoforo said:
But I think he claimed it was just a practice sail.
Practicing what, exactly?  <_<




Not a psychologist, although that was always implied. She had a Ph.D. in physiology (quite irrelevant to any of the issues she so freely opined on).

Is she still involved in racing? I hope not.

 
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Navig8tor

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Saw my share of rule bending in  an effort to win however, personally I resisted temptation as I was always reminded of Paul Elevstoms sage words...

“You haven't won if, in doing so, you have lost the respect of your competitors.”

 

Steam Flyer

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Excuse my racing ignorance here. Whats the rule being flaunted here? (Aiding sail directly/beyond confines of the deck/gear.. Pumping the sail?)

New to racing. Thanks. 
Only muscles being flaunted.

Not sure if any rule is being flouted. 
Currently rule 49 "Crew Position"

I think that's an older photo and this rule is one of the favorites to be re-written. Crew can't be in any position outside the lifelines, sails not to be sheeted outside the lifelines other than by a legal spar, unless specified by class rules (ie boats with a trapeze) crew cannot suspend their weight from the rigging.

At one point it was the fashion on Great Lakes J-24s to roll tack by having the bow & mast man swing outboard from the shrouds, the argument was made that they were only doing it momentarily and it was to "aid steering." I am not fond of J-24s anyway and this struck me as very dubious, did it anyway because you had to to not get buried on the first beat. Some time in the early 90s about 5 or 6 top J-24s got DSQ'd in one of the big races for it.

FB- Doug

 


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