Most egregious cheats?

[KC375]

So if DC cheated, how much more did those limeys on Australia II have to cheat to win the Cup. 

Limeys on Australia II?

In 1983 weren't the limeys on Victory?

 

[Navig8tor]

So if DC cheated, how much more did those limeys on Australia II have to cheat to win the Cup. 

English sailors were commonly referred to as" limejuicers" in the days of square riggers by the American mechant navvies because they sucked on limes to prevent scurvy.

That term shortened to limeys later and is considered slang for an english sailor although latterly it also referred to the english ground troops in WW2.

There,  you learnt something new, you're welcome. 

 

[Clipper]

Mark Richards, - MY AIS MOMENTARILY INTERMITTENTLY FAILED

this. 

 

[Guest]

By egregarious you mean in your face cheating, tough call but how about going from 1:8 to 9:8? 

 

[Sailabout]

Water ballast in IOR boats in the AC. 

Williwaw, Louisiana Crude and Acadia cheat in SORC in the 80's

Italian J-24s with lowered mast steps to increase rake in the 80s

Donald Crowhusrt doing donuts off Brazil, reporting false positions  while he was supposed to go around the world. Of course that one did not end well.  

Italians came back in the 90's with altered hull mold that took some rake out of the bow to get the mast back and had curved deck to get the beam lower when measuring the mast.
Boats were measured into Italian and European championships but caught at the worlds.

A few lifetime bans from that one..

And piss off of crew that chartered them...

 

[AJ Oliver]

Good pick up... Like my Rules knowledge, my English is lacking often two....... Fuck!.... ah well.  

It's totally good mate - your English is for sure better than most USAeans

 

[AJ Oliver]

Geez - this thread reminds me of that bowling league in 

The Big Lebowski 

And we wonder why the sport in not attractive to the yoot 

 

[SloopJonB]

Wrong SJB

Says who?

 

[CriticalPath]

We were racing across western L. Erie in 20kt+ in the early 2000s. I was on a Kirby 25 (LEPHRF 171) and a Shark (LEPHRF 228) just ROCKETED past us to the low side.... Sharks are good heavy air boats, but not that good. There were 2 guys on deck... 1 driving and one trimming the Genoa from the low side. another guy below on the low side. The boat was still pretty level and really fast despite flying a 155 and not depowering the main. When they passed us we could see what looked like a 55 gallon drum hanging just under the cabin top on the high side. I walked over and took the guys a beer after the race. They had an exceptionally large (probably 55 gal.) gas tank on a pulley system so they could lever it to the high side on each tack. They called it their "big air gas tank."

If a Kirby 25 couldn't stay ahead of a Shark 24 in 20+ knots, it had nothing to do with a 55 gallon drum on the high side in the cabin.

First, a 55 gallon drum of gas only weighs ~300-350 pounds; second, a 55 gallon drum wouldn't fit inside a Shark without cutting the deck off first; and third, if a boat that rates nearly 60 seconds slower passes you, it has more to do with performance of the boat you're on than theirs...

Musta been some good drugs onboard the K25!

 

[SloopJohnB]

Says who?

I probably do more 360's than anyone else on the race track, such mainboom touching the mark, close contacts with other boats round marks.......its amazing how many rc skippers don't do their turns.

 

[Ex Machina]

Much simpler where I live part of the year 

something about port tack 

Oh fuck don’t start on that one again mate 

 

[Frick]

The Italian team Scugnizza racing with their NM38S in the ORCi rule is one of the most recent and biggest cheating scandals here in Europe. They actually modified the boat to have hidden ballast tanks in the aft and filled them with water before being measured to get a much shorter water line, 1.4 tons (!) higher displacement and much better rating. But when racing they released out all of the water and the water line was increased, boat much faster with lighter displacement and sailed with a much better rating then the boat should have... Apparently the ballast tanks were made to look like big reinforcement pipes so they were hard to prove cheating. They won a lot of races/championships, but were finally proven to be cheating in 2016/2017 and banned from racing for a while...

Some info on the case,

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2017/04/02/gross-misconduct-decision-orc-europeans/

https://www.orc.org/SH Columns/SH ORC 2016 Dec.pdf info from ORC rule themselves about the case and two pictures showing the "measurement trim" and "sailing trim" of the cheating boat Scugnizza

https://www.clubracer.eu/2017/4/2/2016-orc-european-class-c-champion-re-crowned

 

[mad]

Don't forget the Thomas-I Pumped er...  I-Punkt affair...

I remember that one, there’s a poster or 2 here who were very close to that incident. 

 

[mad]

Same boat ripped out all the doors, cabinetry, stove, toilet & batteries (1 Group 24 for the race).

There was a certain Beneteau in the UK that had a hole saw taken to every part of the interior that wasn’t structural. The boat looked like a Swiss cheese! 
It was in the shed for a while before it sold. 

 

[bgytr]

seems like small potatoes now after reading some of these other posts but there was this well known SoCal boat builder with quite  a successful record on light air overnighters who was turned in by one of his crew for charging his batteries with the transmission in gear. Banned for a year. There was also a story going around he'd been previously flicked from a local series for a folder when his certificate stated a solid two blade prop. Don't know how that one came to light.

That's not small potatoes- good for the honest crew for turning him in.

 

[spennig]

Australia II

"The America's Cup is always won by the yacht with the best perculiarity. Australia II's perculiarity is that she was not designed by an American" -- Olin J Stephens II

 

[Misbehavin']

The Italian team Scugnizza racing with their NM38S in the ORCi rule is one of the most recent and biggest cheating scandals here in Europe. They actually modified the boat to have hidden ballast tanks in the aft and filled them with water before being measured to get a much shorter water line, 1.4 tons (!) higher displacement and much better rating. But when racing they released out all of the water and the water line was increased, boat much faster with lighter displacement and sailed with a much better rating then the boat should have... Apparently the ballast tanks were made to look like big reinforcement pipes so they were hard to prove cheating. They won a lot of races/championships, but were finally proven to be cheating in 2016/2017 and banned from racing for a while...

Some info on the case,

https://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2017/04/02/gross-misconduct-decision-orc-europeans/

https://www.orc.org/SH Columns/SH ORC 2016 Dec.pdf info from ORC rule themselves about the case and two pictures showing the "measurement trim" and "sailing trim" of the cheating boat Scugnizza

https://www.clubracer.eu/2017/4/2/2016-orc-european-class-c-champion-re-crowned

I love Italy and almost everything about it, but they can't just stop cheating can they?

 

[Laser1]

There was a certain Beneteau in the UK that had a hole saw taken to every part of the interior that wasn’t structural. The boat looked like a Swiss cheese! 
It was in the shed for a while before it sold. 

Must have copied the Carter Tina "Variag" in the 70's that did exactly the same thing.

 

[BayRacer]

Maybe someone else from the Great Lakes recalls the details.  What was the story with Bob Seger the singer with rating problems in the Mac races?  Time flies, back in the 90's maybe.

 

[Stiffler's Mom]

A certain J/105 back in the day. All boats were on the hard going through tech and you could obviously see this bow was highly modified. Looked like a Mumm 30.