Multis back at the Olympics !!!

[Tornado-Cat]

Expected but great news !!!

http://catsailingnews.blogspot.com/2011/05/olympics-multis-are-back.html

 

[Xlot]

Trying not to show my age by deprecating mixed crews ... but doesn't this inevitably restrict the choice to an F16? Don't really see a winged 18': logistics, cost and damage potential would be insurmountable, IMHO.

 

[Tornado-Cat]

Trying not to show my age by deprecating mixed crews ... but doesn't this inevitably restrict the choice to an F16? Don't really see a winged 18': logistics, cost and damage potential would be insurmountable, IMHO.

No, Carolijn Brouwer is world class in Tornado with a mixed crew.

I hope they organize a competition bwtween F18 and F20 like they did about 15 years ago. My choice would go for a M20 with soft sails, something like the Marstrom or the Nacra 20 carbon. I think they should also open a place for the A cat.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Expected but great news !!!

http://catsailingnew...s-are-back.html

Whatever is the Laser version of a cat. Single handed, cheap, easy learning and use (storage, trailering, etc,) so that sailing clubs can use them to create school based sports so it becomes the entry point into sailing with the America's Cup being the ultimate goal.

 

[weightless]

Expected but great news !!!

http://catsailingnew...s-are-back.html

Whatever is the Laser version of a cat. Single handed, cheap, easy learning and use (storage, trailering, etc,) so that sailing clubs can use them to create school based sports so it becomes the entry point into sailing with the America's Cup being the ultimate goal.

Lasers are so cheap that not much worth sailing can compete on cost and they stack into an enviably small space. It's the move up from there to an advanced boat of any number of hulls that breaks the bank. Even a 470 is a very expensive proposition IME. I think a 49er fits into the "if you have a budget look elsewhere" category. But if you could foot the bills for either of those then an F16 might be an attractive alternative.

 

[eric e]

Expected but great news !!!

http://catsailingnew...s-are-back.html

Whatever is the Laser version of a cat. Single handed, cheap, easy learning and use (storage, trailering, etc,) so that sailing clubs can use them to create school based sports so it becomes the entry point into sailing with the America's Cup being the ultimate goal.

the laser is 1 hull, 1 mast, 1 boom, 1 pocket luff sail, 1 dagger and 1 rudder to carry 1 person

there IS no multi equivalent unless it is the hobie bravo

and watching those race would be like watching paint dry

the olympic multi will probably start at least twice as expensive as a laser and should probably have 3 sails

the f20 and f18 are too heavy for young mixed crews

so it should probably be a 1-design glass and alloy f16

the current f16 makers should be looking at their designs and formulating bids now

but

for 2016

probably only hobie have the infrastructure and dealer network to do it...

and horror

their best boat is probably their new plastic one with the bow holes

 

[EaglesPDX]

Expected but great news !!!

http://catsailingnew...s-are-back.html

Whatever is the Laser version of a cat. Single handed, cheap, easy learning and use (storage, trailering, etc,) so that sailing clubs can use them to create school based sports so it becomes the entry point into sailing with the America's Cup being the ultimate goal.

Lasers are so cheap that not much worth sailing can compete on cost and they stack into an enviably small space. It's the move up from there to an advanced boat of any number of hulls that breaks the bank. Even a 470 is a very expensive proposition IME. I think a 49er fits into the "if you have a budget look elsewhere" category. But if you could foot the bills for either of those then an F16 might be an attractive alternative.

Perhaps a worthy endeavor of AC34 would be the design of an Olympic cat that would be exciting to watch, cheap to build and operate and offer a single handed entry point for young people who want to give sailing a try after seeing the top end AC72 in spectacular racing in SF. The design/build of the AC45 but aim at creating a base and path for young people to get into sailing.

 

[fakawot]

Expected but great news !!!

http://catsailingnew...s-are-back.html

Whatever is the Laser version of a cat. Single handed, cheap, easy learning and use (storage, trailering, etc,) so that sailing clubs can use them to create school based sports so it becomes the entry point into sailing with the America's Cup being the ultimate goal.

Lasers are so cheap that not much worth sailing can compete on cost and they stack into an enviably small space. It's the move up from there to an advanced boat of any number of hulls that breaks the bank. Even a 470 is a very expensive proposition IME. I think a 49er fits into the "if you have a budget look elsewhere" category. But if you could foot the bills for either of those then an F16 might be an attractive alternative.

Perhaps a worthy endeavor of AC34 would be the design of an Olympic cat that would be exciting to watch, cheap to build and operate and offer a single handed entry point for young people who want to give sailing a try after seeing the top end AC72 in spectacular racing in SF. The design/build of the AC45 but aim at creating a base and path for young people to get into sailing.

Well isn't part of the issue of ex-Tornados in the Olympics, that equipment-wise it leans toward the narrow end of the funnel of a highend class as opposed to the Laser concept? I don't see anything in the market that closes the gap, and find this move back to a multihull event highly premature. Would have been better to let it sleep for a few years, and let worldwide interest continue to evolve before re-establishing the class. Starting from the top down dooms this endeavor to failure.

 

[EaglesPDX]

I don't see anything in the market that closes the gap, and find this move back to a multihull event highly premature. Would have been better to let it sleep for a few years, and let worldwide interest continue to evolve before re-establishing the class. Starting from the top down dooms this endeavor to failure.

The cycle of change is too fast for the percolation method. The multis are no doubt back in the Olympics because of AC33 and AC34, the realization that the top end of the sport of sailing is always going to be multihulls if speed is the criteria. The Olympic motto is faster, higher, stronger and that is a multihull vs. monohull.

So a key product of AC34 should be the design build of an Olympic multihull that is the entry point for young sailors, offering an Olympic path from grade school to college age and then the penultimate America's Cup on the biggest fastest racing sail boats with the best sailors in the world.

The AC45 idea but scaled down to building the foundation of the pyramid.

 

[Tornado-Cat]

This is where the Olympics should lead.

I would really like to compare this Mod 70 against the AC72:

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Gitana 11 bat le record du Tour de Belle-Ile

 

[eric e]

The AC45 idea but scaled down to building the foundation of the pyramid.

already built in 12feet

certainly better than a bravo

but i don't see that olympic boat design has anything to do with the america's cup

unless you want core to start banging these things out

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Boats-marine/Yachts-sail-boats/Small-sailboats/auction-364920756.htm

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[Tornado_ALIVE]

The Tornado and F18 is far from too big, heavy, loads to high for Olympic mixed or all female crew. Both classes both have mixed and all women crews currently racing at both club and International level. There are a lot of female sailors out there who would handle the boats comfortably, not only currently sailing multies but from other classes such such as 470s, Lasters, RSX etc.

Personaly, I would like to see a OD boat such as a Viper as the next Olympic boat but would be just as happy with the Tornado.

 

[Te Kooti]

Perhaps a worthy endeavor of AC34 would be the design of an Olympic cat that would be exciting to watch

Would be a good flow-on job for Core.

 

[Tornado_ALIVE]

 

[Tornado-Cat]

Sorry T_A but the Cirrus is already outdated. The best F18 now is the Cirrus R.

I think we should go with an F20.

Best now are, in order:

1. M20

2. F20 Nacra

3. Tornado

But I think they should do a comparison and races as they did a few years ago...

 

[Tornado_ALIVE]

???? Never mentioned anything about the Cirrus. Personaly I would not like to see an F18 or F16 class chosen. I believe the Viper (pictured above) is far enough outside the F16 rules and can stand alone as a OD class enough to warrent it for Olypmic selection. Boat has simular performance to an F18 however the loads are a little lighter, boat is lighter, 125kg for sloop, several thousand cheaper. it's ideal crew weight is a little lighter also, somewhere between 120kg to 140kg combined. More suited to mix or all female crew than the F18 is. The Tornado also suited to lower crew weights than the F18. About 140kg being ideal.

I believe the Viper would be an ideal choice for mixed crew for 2016. As more females become involved at an Olympic level, then this could warrent male and female classes for 2020 with the Viper for women and the Tornado (M20 or Narca's new F20) for male.

 

[Tornado-Cat]

???? Never mentioned anything about the Cirrus. Personaly I would not like to see an F18 or F16 class chosen. I believe the Viper (pictured above) is far enough outside the F16 rules and can stand alone as a OD class enough to warrent it for Olypmic selection. Boat has simular performance to an F18 however the loads are a little lighter, boat is lighter, 125kg for sloop, several thousand cheaper. it's ideal crew weight is a little lighter also, somewhere between 120kg to 140kg combined. More suited to mix or all female crew than the F18 is. The Tornado also suited to lower crew weights than the F18. About 140kg being ideal.

I believe the Viper would be an ideal choice for mixed crew for 2016. As more females become involved at an Olympic level, then this could warrent male and female classes for 2020 with the Viper for women and the Tornado (M20 or Narca's new F20) for male.

Agree with you for 2 cats, they represent 80% of sailing on beaches.

The Tornado is fit for many crews as history showed. Carolijn Brouwer is a good proof that T is good for mixed crews at international levels.

Cirrus R is a new French design from the Boulogne brothers that won the Eurocat last weekend with Mischa Heemskerk in front of Bundy and a few others.

 

[eric e]

F16 videos from the f16 page

http://www.formula16.net/content/view/38/55/lang,en/

how about home built marine ply boats/ it's how thew tornado started and might help address cost issues for the malawi team

http://www.formula16.net/content/view/40/57/lang,en/

 

[dogwatch]

(Viper) ideal crew weight is a little lighter also, somewhere between 120kg to 140kg combined.

How does that ideal divide out between crew and helm? Would be be likely to see light (presumably female) helms and heavier (male) crews predominating, same as you would with mixed single-trapeze dinghies?