My even newer project for The Man In The Moon

[Simon75]

The 10oz (ml?) glasses are stemmed. Those poors are generally high abv, 8 to 12+ % and or small batch uber beers. Same price as a pint. Puts the crafty in craft beers. Snooty? A little. Tasty? Yep. Lot like a tri-radial or string mizzen.

Ah, string mizzen.

Sailmakers make too much.

definitly to much weather helm.

 

[SemiSalt]

Definitely

Veegs:L

I thought "snotter" was a two year old screaming for his mother.

Don't even ask me how I know.

Definitely true this! (I don't even have to ask how you know...)

'snotty' is the two year old with either a 'tude' or wet boogers.

'snooty' is someone who thinks rather higher of themselves due to education or wealth when they compare themselves with people who prefer beer

Since the explosion in craft beer, even beer drinkers are getting snooty. The other day I saw two guys "tasting" beer in fucking stemmed glasses.

 

[Kirwan]

Blame it on the Belgians. Talk about snooty!

They do make some really good beer (besides Stella), and are very picky about what glass it gets served in.

"I can't sell you that beer, we don't have the right glass for it"

 

[Expat Canuck]

Oh, I think the Germans can take some of that blame.

My first time in Germany (well, it was a layover at Frankfurt airport), we stopped at the airport bar. There were four beers on tap, so I asked the bartender what types they were. He pointed at four different glasses behind him and said, "Well, this one goes in this glass, that one goes in that glass.....". I think I did a quick mental einee-meenee-miny-moe and picked one glass.

 

[Alcatraz5768]

A self centering bridle for the aft sail makes a bunch of sense. Would self center when wanted for a riding sail, etc

The problem with a bridle is it does not self center very stiffly, allowing some side to side flop. As a riding sail you do not wanting it moving at all.

I thought of it more as having the purchase attach in the centre of the bridle rather than slide along it. It effectively makes the sheeting point the windward attachment point of the bridle which lets you get the boom to the centreline.

 

[savoir]

Why do Belgian bartenders always scrape the head off the top of a beer?

 

[Raz'r]

A self centering bridle for the aft sail makes a bunch of sense. Would self center when wanted for a riding sail, etc

The problem with a bridle is it does not self center very stiffly, allowing some side to side flop. As a riding sail you do not wanting it moving at all.

I thought of it more as having the purchase attach in the centre of the bridle rather than slide along it. It effectively makes the sheeting point the windward attachment point of the bridle which lets you get the boom to the centreline.

i forgot to add in one small detail.....

the purchase is "inside' the boom.

 

[Alcatraz5768]

Cool

 

[Bob Perry]

Client wants davits so I think we will use those for mizzen sheeting points.

Many thanks for all the help.

 

[Kirwan]

Why do Belgian bartenders always scrape the head off the top of a beer?

It's part of their brand of pickyness - everything must be 'just so' (They do have German influence).

Glasses in Europe tend to have a 'fill line', an official mark to designate the volume and ensure that you're getting a full pour.

Scraping the head does two things:

- They can fill the liquid beer to the fill line, and just scrape off the excess

- The act of scraping breaks some of the bubbles and is supposed to help release the aroma - or something like that

Personally, I prefer Belgian beers to German. Except Stella, that's like their Budweiser.

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[Mr. Ed]

Client wants davits so I think we will use those for mizzen sheeting points.

Many thanks for all the help.

Good solution!

Can you do the swim platform as well as davits?

Back to the other end, what sort of jib are you going to have on the end of the docking probe?

 

[Bob Perry]

"Docking probe"? Funny. Like those things that used to stick out from the side of the car to tell you when you were close to the curb?

I am fighting to keep the swim step.

 

[SloopJonB]

Blame it on the Belgians. Talk about snooty!

They do make some really good beer (besides Stella), and are very picky about what glass it gets served in.

"I can't sell you that beer, we don't have the right glass for it"

Drinking (or "tasting") beer out of stemware is just bullshit pretension - it's the equivalent of eating a pizza with a knife & fork.

What's next with these snooty beer people? A raised pinky when they sip?

 

[Presuming Ed]

Thought there was something familiar about the mizzen..

http://www.nigelirens.com/boats/sail-boats/roxane

Going to post this here. Psyche by the late Ed Burnett, who AIUI collaborated with Nigel Irens on the Westernman pilot cutter designs.

 

[kdh]

I like to think of man on the moon. So huge as a kid for me watching humans do this.

 

[Presuming Ed]

My immediate thought is:

 

[DDW]

A self centering bridle for the aft sail makes a bunch of sense. Would self center when wanted for a riding sail, etc

The problem with a bridle is it does not self center very stiffly, allowing some side to side flop. As a riding sail you do not wanting it moving at all.

I thought of it more as having the purchase attach in the centre of the bridle rather than slide along it. It effectively makes the sheeting point the windward attachment point of the bridle which lets you get the boom to the centreline.

i forgot to add in one small detail.....

the purchase is "inside' the boom.

That'd do it. Gives up sheeting to windward, but simpler.

 

[Mr. Ed]

Thought there was something familiar about the mizzen..

http://www.nigelirens.com/boats/sail-boats/roxane

Going to post this here. Psyche by the late Ed Burnett, who AIUI collaborated with Nigel Irens on the Westernman pilot cutter designs.

Perfect. A work of art - he really was good.

Bob, doesn't look like the stumpy bit of the boom forward of the mizzen mast (bet that's got a name, probably a monosyllabic one) isn't bothering the helmsman at that low height. Good argument for a yawl.

Does that mean you have to call it Howdy.

Howdy y'awl?

I'll get my coat.

 

[SemiSalt]

The Psyche mizzen look just like the one Bob drew.

For a sprit, I think the inboard end is called the heel. Don't know if that would apply here.

The portion of the sail forward of the mast serves two functions (in addition to the driving force of that much sail area). Like any balanced foil, e.g. rudder, the leading part reduces the turning moment, reducing the pull on the sheet in this case. Also, the tension on the luff acts with downhaul at the mast to keep the boom down. In the mizzen, the sheet loads shouldn't be a problem in any case, and it looks like the sheet pulls down enough to keep the sail flattish while close hauled. It would be great to see a picture of Psyche reaching in a breeze to see how the sail sets then. It looks like they have also rigged a topping lift on the boom.

Putting the various comment together, it looks/sounds like the MoonShip will be designed for a standing helmsman (at least sometimes), and the mizzen boom moved up out the way. With the space underneath filled by a tender in davits, I think that may look natural.

 

[2slow]

Blame it on the Belgians. Talk about snooty!

They do make some really good beer (besides Stella), and are very picky about what glass it gets served in.

"I can't sell you that beer, we don't have the right glass for it"

Drinking (or "tasting") beer out of stemware is just bullshit pretension - it's the equivalent of eating a pizza with a knife & fork.

What's next with these snooty beer people? A raised pinky when they sip?

Drinking Cantillon out of a pint glass would be about as "wrong" as hanging a 50hp Mercury off the back of a cat boat. Nothing snooty or pretentious about it, just right and wrong