Nesting dinghy designed to plane under power?

I gathered materials and was preparing to start construction on a new 10' nesting dinghy to replace our existing 8' one.  We want a bit more space for hauling supplies or when using it as a dive boat.  One thing we'd talked about was how it would be nice to have a bigger motor so we can plane under power, both to get places quicker and theoretically maybe even to save fuel doing so. Still need nesting as deck space for storage is limited on our 36' sailboat.

We have a 2 ph Honda for our existing Danny Greene design.  Chugs along fine, but of course no planing (though I swear that a couple of times with only one person and catching a following wave just right it sorta kinda thought about planing...for a few seconds). Our existing boat and the ones I've been looking at building (a Greene "Chameleon" or a Spindrift).  Was leaning toward the Spindrift initially, but the Greene design seems to fit a bit more boat volume into a slightly smaller nested footprint on deck, so am swinging back that way.  Still no final decision.

Both designers recommend 2-4HP engines.  Both are row, sail, and power.  We like the flexibility (though from past experience, we'd be willing to pass on the sailing if the trade-offs for other benefits seemed right).

Anyway, I had a sudden epiphany remember boat design articles mentioning problems designing hulls for safe turns on a plane.  Maybe my goal isn't as easy as a bigger engine.

Has anyone used one of these designs (or a similar one) with a big enough engine to plane?  If so, was it stable in turns?

How much engine power is needed?  

 
Check out the PT 11 nester by Russel Browne. It does everything well.

http://www.ptwatercraft.com/ptwatercraft/Welcome.html
   I looked at the PT11 a while ago.  A VERY attractive boat, but concluded that the cost for a kit (approaching $5k) was too rich for my taste, and they don't sell plans, only kits.  I do plan on using a few of their components (like the clips for attaching the two halves).
 It would be nice to confirm that it works well on a plane and how much engine it takes to do so.

 
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Zonker

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Planing hulls are inherently differently shaped than rowing/low powered hulls. So yes you could throw a bit more power on the rowing boat (I strapped a 4 HP to my FB11) it won't plane, though you think it will... It goes faster to some degree but not much faster. Maybe 5 or 6 knots? It was stable enough in turns because --- it wasn't planing!

You can of course row a planing hull. But you won't enjoy it much. My GV10 dinghy could be rowed OK with long CF rowing oars (about 7-1/2' long I think) but the wide immersed transom meant a fair bit of drag.

 
Planing hulls are inherently differently shaped than rowing/low powered hulls. So yes you could throw a bit more power on the rowing boat (I strapped a 4 HP to my FB11) it won't plane, though you think it will... It goes faster to some degree but not much faster. Maybe 5 or 6 knots? It was stable enough in turns because --- it wasn't planing!

You can of course row a planing hull. But you won't enjoy it much. My GV10 dinghy could be rowed OK with long CF rowing oars (about 7-1/2' long I think) but the wide immersed transom meant a fair bit of drag.
"But mom, I want it all!"

Plus, of course, cheap and easy to build.

Oh yeah, and beautiful.

Meanwhile, back in 2020 reality, thanks for the info Zonker.  I was afraid that was the probable situation.  Was/am hoping someone has a design that straddles a bit better.  Haven't seen any "designed for planing, not displacement" nesting designs so far, though there are a bunch of the in non-nesting versions.  Wish it was as easy as cutting one in half, but I know they don't nest well by accident.

I'd really like to extend the "easy travel from the boat" range.  Of course, if cruising doesn't open up within a year or so...

Saw the dinghies you mentioned (bateau.com) and one of the descriptions for the Fast Boat versus Flat Boat designs did a good job of laying out the distinction.  They pretty much said that the rocker bottom of their displacement design just wasn't going to plane, while the flat bottom and immersed transom of their planing version wasn't going to row happily.  I'm assuming that with enough horsepower applied any dinghy design will plane (or sink from the outboard weight), but I can see where that could make for an excessively-exciting ride.  

Dang.

 

Zonker

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How about long and skinny? Long and skinny doesn't need to plane to go reasonably fast.  And it could row acceptably. 

3 piece 16' that nests into <7' or so?  A sleek freighter canoe is sort of what I'm thinking. 10-14 knots maybe with a 8 or 9.9 HP?

Because it would be reasonably light it would float high with a 2-3 people in it, and thus the narrow not very deep transom isn't very draggy. 

I like this idea. Big and fast and wide isn't the only way to go.  

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How about long and skinny? Long and skinny doesn't need to plane to go reasonably fast.  And it could row acceptably. 

3 piece 16' that nests into <7' or so?  A sleek freighter canoe is sort of what I'm thinking. 10-14 knots maybe with a 8 or 9.9 HP?

Because it would be reasonably light it would float high with a 2-3 people in it, and thus the narrow not very deep transom isn't very draggy. 

I like this idea. Big and fast and wide isn't the only way to go.  

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I'd want to change the color. That purple won't fly heah n de Souf.

 

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Zonker, I guess it is just a sketch at this stage, right?

Then could you make the front section longer, and the middle section shortet to make a more compact package once nested?

 

Zonker

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Yes just a 5 minute 3D sketch, so easy to modify to make it more compact. I'm taking orders after lunch...

 

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How about long and skinny? Long and skinny doesn't need to plane to go reasonably fast.  And it could row acceptably. 

3 piece 16' that nests into <7' or so?  A sleek freighter canoe is sort of what I'm thinking. 10-14 knots maybe with a 8 or 9.9 HP?

Because it would be reasonably light it would float high with a 2-3 people in it, and thus the narrow not very deep transom isn't very draggy. 

I like this idea. Big and fast and wide isn't the only way to go.  

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Sure!  A panga... I like it!

 
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