Jackdaw
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Hopefully this. The Pogo 12.5 is an absolute rocket off the wind, but also vey large. The secret? Empty volume weights nothing.
New Beneteau First 36
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European Bloke
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Yes, but it's not good at boatshows, so I doubt they went with that option. Not really their target market.
Matagi
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I mean, it is DOable.
This is what roughly 9000 lbs can look like in a 36ft boat:
Pogo 36
On the other hand, these boats never sail to their rating, regardless if IRC or ORC.
But both hints -the chines and Sam Manuard as Naval Architect- to me point more towards the Pogo / Fun side than the J/111 side.
I think it's going to target a market that can be described as 'Dehler 30 OD - but larger'.
Jackdaw
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Perhaps. But the last (non-planing) First 35 sold what, 10 hulls? That's certainly not anybody's market. This is really a Seascape, and more along the lines of Pogo than Oceanis. If they keep it light I'm guessing it will do just fine. Bloat it like the old First 30 JK, and they'll sit.
slap
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According to sailboatdata.com, the displacement is listed at 12,941 lbs. Is the 11,500 lbs from a 36.7 actually being weighed?
Jackdaw
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Jackdaw
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Ass end view. Lots of clever touches, but I would not look forward to breaking the long window with a flailing floating jib lead ring...
Somebody Else
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The problem with most cruiser/racers is cockpit ergonomics. I see all assholes and elbows when short-tacking and during mark roundings. And when the main trimmer has to pull someone off the weather rail and use words to trim traveler/cunningham/outhaul/vang/backstay instead just reaching down and adjusting a little fine tune, it makes for a chattery cockpit filled with miscommunication. At my advanced age I want need a more ergonomic cockpit.
TwoLegged
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I see no provision for a sprayhood, unlike the Pogo range.
That omission will be fine for those in warm and climates, but a big negative for those in Northern Europe or in areas like Maine, Canada, or the PNW.
Movable Ballast
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Looks like a 2014 Dufor 36P knockoff...
42 South
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TwoLegged
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Look at the arrangement of lines and decklights either side of the companionway. Hard to secure the bottom of the sprayhood onto that, let alone do that in a way which impedes spray or green water from coming under the sprayhood
Movable Ballast
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Swimsailor
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Seats in front of the traveler look removable. Although the J/111 seems to set the ergonomic standard in this size.
And yes, it's very similar to the Italia, Elan, GS, Dufor, etc. But there is brand awareness with Beneteau in the USA that I think will help it sell better here than the other Euros.
The Italia 9.98 LOOKS better IMHO but if I dip my toe into this price range, this looks like something to consider.
Jackdaw
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Jackdaw
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Looks like a 2014 Dufor 36P knockoff...
But 14,100 lbs?? That's 1k over my old 36.7, a boat that would not plane if you sailed it off the edge of the earth.
The great unwashed
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Why no pictures of the leak around the prop shaft “fixed” with an entire tube of Sikaflex and a spatula? I mean, that’s a standard on all new Bene’s, right?