New Beneteau First 36

[danstanford]

I was at the Seascape yard today to discuss the ongoing issues on my F27 and had the chance to see both the F27 and F36 in build. The build in the F27 is impressive but the build on the F36 is on a different level with most work in-house. And it's looks much bigger than a 36. The purchasers of this boat are very lucky folk indeed. Way above my pay grade though 😀. And great to see the passion in the team there.

I am impressed by your ability to see above/around the problems you have had with your boat and still report this positive information. Well done.

 

[Qingdaosog]

I am impressed by your ability to see above/around the problems you have had with your boat and still report this positive information. Well done.

Thanks. It has been a comedy of errors compounded by Covid. Murphy's Law has been in turbo mode.. I hope finally next season I will have a boat I can enjoy and more importantly be confident in its safety when I bring my friends and people seeking a sailing experience on board.

 

[Kristian Seascape]

was wondering if anyone has had water time with the B36?

Am curious as to
1. upwind performance. Is the hull shape a more all around or more towards downwind?
2. Stability? is it pretty stiff? I was expecting a higher ballast to displacement ratio, but perhaps not necessary? Would this boat be competitive 2 handed?

I was sailing the 36 few weeks ago in La Rochelle during the European Yacht of the Year trials. We had a Lindjett 39, a beautiful traditional Scandianvian sailboat, as part of the trials but in another category. Long story short, in light winds the Linjett proved to be very slippery but in 10+ true we managed to pull ahead and cross her bow. Mind though, one has to work really hard on trimmming and steering to be able to hold on to a 3ft longer boat upwind.
Stability wise, boat is having stability of at least 38+ footer, waterline is symetrical but once it is heeled it sits on the broad shoulders. Interesting trivia is that the load on the mainsheet is roughly at 1.3T which can tell something about the stability of the hull...

 

[MPongs]

I was sailing the 36 few weeks ago in La Rochelle during the European Yacht of the Year trials. We had a Lindjett 39, a beautiful traditional Scandianvian sailboat, as part of the trials but in another category. Long story short, in light winds the Linjett proved to be very slippery but in 10+ true we managed to pull ahead and cross her bow. Mind though, one has to work really hard on trimmming and steering to be able to hold on to a 3ft longer boat upwind.
Stability wise, boat is having stability of at least 38+ footer, waterline is symetrical but once it is heeled it sits on the broad shoulders. Interesting trivia is that the load on the mainsheet is roughly at 1.3T which can tell something about the stability of the hull...

Thank you @Kristian Seascape for your information.

 

[garrys]

Hi, would it be possible to share upwind boatspeeds you were seeing, people have previously shared VMG and various off wind speeds but am interested in upwind boat speed results to understand the boats allround performance, she looks a great boat to me and considering ordering

 

[Joakim]

in light winds the Linjett proved to be very slippery but in 10+ true we managed to pull ahead and cross her bow. Mind though, one has to work really hard on trimmming and steering to be able to hold on to a 3ft longer boat upwind.

Linjett 39 is a 8.7 tonne cruiser with 90 m2 upwind sail area. Shouldn't really be a match for a 4.8 tonne racer/cruiser with 80 m2 upwind sail area.

How does First 36 do against First 35 in light upwind?

 

[Knut Grotzki]

It looks to me that the comparison of 36ft Cruiser-Racers of the German Yacht magazine has not been discussed here. Comparison between:

• Arcona 385
• Dehler 38 SQ
• Faurby 370
• First 36 von Beneteau
• J 112 E
• X 4.0

Performance-Cruiser Teil 1: Sechs schnelle Fahrtenyachten treten gegeneinander an

Sechs Performance-Cruiser um elf Meter in der direkten Gegenüberstellung. Der große YACHT-Vergleichstest Teil 1: alles zu den Segeleigenschaften, zum Leistungspotenzial und zum Trimm

www.yacht.de

A very enjoyable video:

 

[garrys]

do you know if this is available in English ?

 

[Teener]

Closed caption + Auto-Translate to English (in closed caption settings).

 

[Kristian Seascape]

Linjett 39 is a 8.7 tonne cruiser with 90 m2 upwind sail area. Shouldn't really be a match for a 4.8 tonne racer/cruiser with 80 m2 upwind sail area.

How does First 36 do against First 35 in light upwind?

in very light winds, let' s say in 5kt, you are moving really good as the boat is light + you can use Code sail and move above the TWS. This is where Phil Sharp did get most of the places back after his costly detour under the bridge in Silverrudder race. In about 10kt, both boats were powered up and the 3ft longer waterline doeas have an effect. In 15 and above, a bigger stability of the 36 comes in the play and you can really push her hard. I do not know the 35, but it is heavier and has less sail area.

 

[Gone Ballistic]

Hey Kristian, I'm a little confused about the relationship between Beneteau and Seascape now, and where that leaves the possibility of an SE edition of the First36, or indeed a non-Beneteau Seascape XX. Is that something you're allowed to explain a bit?

 

[sam_crocker]

Where is the bilge's pump water outlet??

Guessing it's up under the after deck.

 

[sam_crocker]

We are under strict orders form higher authority not to post any outside picture or they will cut of my balls, but I guess this is technically not "outside picture" because we are still inside. I wonder who was the idiot that measured the doors before we started design process?!?
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For some reason it reminds me of this:

 

[Kristian Seascape]

Lorenzo was very adamant to have stern clear of all fittings. So, bilge drains are on side, under extended seating cover. Cover drainages are behind the swimming platform.

 

[freewheelin]

I know the bathroom sink has been talked about, but seeing it in person was concerning. No matter how you feel about the need for a sink in the head, I think there will be a lot of issues with dislodged sinks. The one at the boat show was already seated a little wonky.

I really wish racer/cruisers would start putting in separate shower stalls in the head that double as wet locker. When you are offshore, having a separate place to hang wet foulies is lovely. And so is having an actual shower when cruising.

 

[bloodshot]

 

['Bacco]

Whats the deal with not having a rigid vang?

 

[Crash]

I know the bathroom sink has been talked about, but seeing it in person was concerning. No matter how you feel about the need for a sink in the head, I think there will be a lot of issues with dislodged sinks. The one at the boat show was already seated a little wonky.

I really wish racer/cruisers would start putting in separate shower stalls in the head that double as wet locker. When you are offshore, having a separate place to hang wet foulies is lovely. And so is having an actual shower when cruising.

I dunno. On any boat under 40ft, you gotta give up a lot of space to get a separate shower stall. I’ve owned 2 boats with showers (35 & 31) and through 8 years, we never once used the shower in the head. Aft cockpit shower? Absolutely! But never the one in the head. Who wants all that moisture down below?

Wet locker on the other hand is well worth it!

 

[Ronja-express]

I think they need to find a solution for the low friction rings for the 3D sheeting.
The First 36 at the Silverrudder had a lot of damage to the lower edges of the frontal windows.
Where the rings hit and break the edges when the jib is flogging.

Not a big problem and easily fixed.
But i would hate to fix it after the damage is done.

I would not be interested in a 36 footer with 3 double cabins.
We are cruising two up and would probably have two guests.
We would rather have a bigger toilet room and more storage.

I don't like cabins for storage,
because the narrow doors always make things difficult.

Holger

 

[Kristian Seascape]

Do not want to piss into someone's boots, but trying to make everybody happy is a sure path to make a mediocre product. Some people will like it, some will not but currently there is enough interested customers that we can focus on industrializing the production. Currently we are running a two boats per month and are working towards our goal of having three stable boats built by the end of the winter.
To Bacco: rigid vang would have to be installed by the dealer. Why it wasn't is another question. It is an obligatory "option" for the US market due to regulations.