New boat for solo/double for inshore, Vic-Maui, Transpac and cruising

[dreamingwet]

I am in my mid fifties and after 8 years from sailing to fight cancer, I want to buy my next new boat for 60-70% racing single/double handed and the rest out relaxing with my partner and now then another couple.

8 years is a long time away to know what has happened on yacht design so I am seeking advice from those better informed.
I have some racing and delivery experience that I accumulated since I was and infant; I done 4-5 Admiral's cup , including Fastnet 79, 3-4 SORC, a couple Cape Town-RIO, 4 Sydney-Hobart, 2 Bs.As-RIO, all the races in the Med more than I can remember, over 10 back and forth between Barcelona and the US and my last fast boat was an Open40.

The smallest boat I would want is a 36 footer, and the largest maybe 45-50, that can plane, prefer asyms than syms, maybe with water ballast.
I was looking at the Pogo 44 but when I called to put my $ I was told that they are years away so that boat is off the table, the 2 Pogo 12.50 I traveled to inspect were destroyed from chartering.

Fuck off newbie , I deleted my SA account with a couple of thousands of posts a few years back after the editor told me he did not like me .

BTW. I am Basque so I apologize for my English in advance.

I am now living in the PNW/Seattle area and the budget is $250K-$500K

thank you.

 

[Murphness]

Seems like a Class 40 would suit your needs

 

[Roleur]

The J/121 is specifically designed for shorthanded racing and can be cruised. That said, a J/122 is a much better cruiser, rates about the same, but not quite as easy to SH/DH, nor does it plane as easily, but still seem to get around the race course at the same overall speed.

 

[MPH]

Call Paul Bieker..

 

[Trevor B]

There’s a rumor that Blue the Riptide 41 may come on the market after PacCup….

 

[dreamingwet]

The J/121 is specifically designed for shorthanded racing and can be cruised. That said, a J/122 is a much better cruiser, rates about the same, but not quite as easy to SH/DH, nor does it plane as easily, but still seem to get around the race course at the same overall speed.

I sailed/raced a 122 for a couple races and I got the feeling we needed a lot of people on the rail, so I wander how would it do without plus it does not plane.

There’s a rumor that Blue the Riptide 41 may come on the market after PacCup….

Do you know anyone in the crew?

 

[Roleur]

Riptide 41 is an awesome machine, but it would cruise far less well than a J/122 will plane.

 

[MPH]

There also may be a Riptide 35 that will come available soon..

 

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[dreamingwet]

There also may be a Riptide 35 that will come available soon..

MPH, I am looking for at the bare minimum a 36 foot boat, how would the 35 compare to a Pogo 36 or SF3600… most of my experience is with European or custom boats and know nothing about these Riptide boats.

@Roleur, would you care to explain? do you know how much work would the 41 take to make it more amicable for a couple of 2?

Although a custom boat would be great, I fear that a 40s custom boat would easily get well in the 750k+ range

 

[Roleur]

All Riptides are custom boats with water ballast and the design brief was to race... fast. The Riptide 35 could be cruised by a couple, just like a J/35 could be. The Riptide 35 would be significantly faster than either a Pogo 36 or SF3600, particularly downwind and particularly in our generally light air Salish Sea. Both Riptides 35's have already done well racing to Hawaii and the Riptide 35 MkII won Vic Maui overall. I haven't seen the inside of Blue (MPH could comment), but I believe it is a race boat through and through. Nevermind that it isn't setup to shorthand sail at all. All of the Riptides are at least 10 years old now. The 35's are more than 20 years old, but still amazing. At least that should help keep the price down a bit.

A used J/121 is significantly faster than a Pogo 36 or SF3600, set up for shorthanding and very cruisable compared to the Riptides. Probably similar cruisability as the Pogo and SunFast.

 

[Roleur]

FYI, the Riptide 35's are faster than a J/121.

 

[Hitchhiker]

MPH, I am looking for at the bare minimum a 36 foot boat, how would the 35 compare to a Pogo 36 or SF3600… most of my experience is with European or custom boats and know nothing about these Riptide boats.

Riptide 35, less room below (at least the Mk1) but much faster. Reaching and downwind speeds on par with a Santa Cruz 50.

 

[221J]

Riptide 35, less room below (at least the Mk1) but much faster. Reaching and downwind speeds on par with a Santa Cruz 50.

Also, a retractable propulsion system to eliminate propeller drag which adds speed at the expense of maintenance. Really cool boat.

I hope you can find your dreamboat for sale. As a recent buyer I came face to face with today's realities of inventory shortage and shipping prices.

 

[Hitchhiker]

There also may be a Riptide 35 that will come available soon..

Mk1 or Mk2?

 

[Roleur]

I suspect the Mk1 with retractable prop?

 

[VeloceSailing]

Check it the Aeolos P45
Apologies P45

Contact Hans Genthe who produces the P30.
As far as I know, the P45 is a concept based on the P30.

It seems to fit the bill and the price might be interesting.
Probably a long lead time though

 

[Trevor B]

I suspect the Mk1 with retractable prop?

The two Mk1 boats do not have retractable gear. Only Longboard, the mkll does.
Blue doesn’t have a race boat interior, it has some creature comforts down below.

 

[MPH]

The two Mk1 boats do not have retractable gear. Only Longboard, the mkll does.
Blue doesn’t have a race boat interior, it has some creature comforts down below.

Terremoto has a retractable drive now, similar to Longboard.

Blue is not a full race boat interior but it’s a pretty big step below Dark Star in terms of creature comforts.

All in all I would rather cruise a 35mk1 than Blue and would rather cruise Dark Star than any of them…

 

[dreamingwet]

Check it the Aeolos P45
Apologies P45

Contact Hans Genthe who produces the P30.
As far as I know, the P45 is a concept based on the P30.

It seems to fit the bill and the price might be interesting.
Probably a long lead time though

It looks great, but how a full carbon 45' boat would fit my budget? It will be interesting to hear from him.