C-class legal concept boat,
OK someone go build it now and be done with it. Only way to tell if it'll work.
Proposed tensiometer design enclosed as well.
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C-class legal concept boat,
OK someone go build it now and be done with it. Only way to tell if it'll work.
Proposed tensiometer design enclosed as well.
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I think the point that a few of you are missing and the press release emphasises is that the boat requires 8kn of speed to start foiling. My question is how does it get up to that 8kn speed. Certainly it won't on that strap on foam. If you look at the video the boat is supported by a tender which tows it up to speed.
It's a fun concept and certainly a good frame for developing idea's, but as a stand alone boat at the moment, it doesn't work. I will be interested to see how proper strap on hulls affect it.
It's a fun concept and certainly a good frame for developing idea's, but as a stand alone boat at the moment, it doesn't work. I will be interested to see how proper strap on hulls affect it.
Doug Lord
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What video did you watch? The boat achieved takeoff speed on its own... The numbers on this boat are equal to or better than a Moth. When it is sorted it will beat the crap out of a normal 18 .
Doug Lord
Super Anarchist
The video:
Doug you are a clown. Have you sailed an 18 in +20 knots in big seas? A moth has plenty on in 20+ knots but an 18 foiling in a blow...good luck. you my friend are nuts. Sure it would be faster in flat water and about 5knots after that they would be upside down.
But good on the boys it looks like fun. Dont think they will win the JJs but they will have some fun.
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bgulari
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I think in a sea state is when a foiler has a real advantage.
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the_skiff_devil
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I think it'd be a bit more than upside down... if you watch the end of the video, one of the floats broke and they both snapped their straps after a very low speed noseover. Now think what would happen if it nosed over in some decent breeze unless they make the floats a bit more integral to the structure? My guess is that this thing will eventually wind up as a big carbon deposit on the bottom of Lake Geneva at some stage.
Doug Lord
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What is it? Can you not read? Are you just not interested? Can't afford the Daily Sail? Christ, the guy described in detail that THIS IS A PROTOTYPE. That they will be shortly adding a 24' cat hull to the structure. That they will test all kinds of possibilities.
Comments like yours from the BLACK HOLE of uninformed ignorance are pitiful!!
the_skiff_devil
Anarchist
The only hole in here is you doug ... an ARSEHOLE for thinking that anyone who thinks contrary to you is completely ignorant.
I have a foiler and it flys and I have photographic proof of it Doug. How about you?
I'm interested in this thing as far as it's an interesting solution to a high speed sailing craft, but I think that it is seriously flawed in that the entire concept is based upon the idea that it'll be flying constantly, which we all know isn't going to happen. These things are inherantly instable regardless of how good the wave sensing gear gets (even with your beloved manual control and midship wand...) there will always be the chance of the boat flying out of a wave and nosediving, which puts the structure under some really serious stress.
And if these guys attach a 22' long cat hull, how can this thing still be your beloved 18' skiff of the future?
I have a foiler and it flys and I have photographic proof of it Doug. How about you?
I'm interested in this thing as far as it's an interesting solution to a high speed sailing craft, but I think that it is seriously flawed in that the entire concept is based upon the idea that it'll be flying constantly, which we all know isn't going to happen. These things are inherantly instable regardless of how good the wave sensing gear gets (even with your beloved manual control and midship wand...) there will always be the chance of the boat flying out of a wave and nosediving, which puts the structure under some really serious stress.
And if these guys attach a 22' long cat hull, how can this thing still be your beloved 18' skiff of the future?
Doug Lord
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For you to say that is absolute proof that what I said in my previous post is 100% accurate. You have the incredible nuttiness to repeat something that you dredged up out of the cavern of your mind because it sure DOES NOT reflect what Thomas said. What I don't get is why you would offer such an obviously uninformed opinion in the first place. All you have to do is read the Daily Sail article and you would realize how silly your comment is. Its a shame when those guys have done so much work that you can't even take the time to read what they've said and instead choose to offer an opinion that is so removed from the facts as to be totally worthless. You have constantly personally attacked me using the same kind of thinking-now I understand that a lot better......
Dagbar
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If the “Knockers” of this concept would only review a little history, they might just think before they open their mouths and stick their feet in!
There was a comparable “structure” made from pieces of wood, wire, and canvas that only “worked” in a very limited way (in actuality with much less success towards the ultimate goals that the concept eventually attained than this craft) and that “craft” was the product of the fertile imaginations of the Wright brothers on the sands of Kitty hawk. It was primarily a prototype that was probably (definitely) ridiculed by many of the time with similar utterings like, “just what good is this thing anyway”. Look where that small step of innovation has led us to today? I would think that it would be prudent to wait and watch to see where this and other experiments with foiling lead before digging a big verbal hole of denial only having to bury yourself in at a later date
Dagbar
Foiling is not new technology, it has been in use for a long time. People aren't critical of this project, more expressing frustration at "I am the Lord" shouting down everyone and preventing constructive debate.
There is a lot of skill here and people can see the limitations and merely point them out to aid creating a solution.
Foiling has it's limitations, it's not the revolution "his arseclowness" would have you believe. It's an aside, but certainly an interesting one.
Apart from Moths, none of the foilers presented so far are going to be quick around a course and if they are only straight line vessels, then sailboards and kites are faster. If you want real speed, keep your eye on Wot Rocket, from the rumours I have heard from her trials, she is going to smash 50kn.
I can't imagine anyone would want the foilers to fail, every advance in this sport is cool, lets just keep a sense of perspective
Foiling is not new technology, it has been in use for a long time. People aren't critical of this project, more expressing frustration at "I am the Lord" shouting down everyone and preventing constructive debate.
There is a lot of skill here and people can see the limitations and merely point them out to aid creating a solution.
Foiling has it's limitations, it's not the revolution "his arseclowness" would have you believe. It's an aside, but certainly an interesting one.
Apart from Moths, none of the foilers presented so far are going to be quick around a course and if they are only straight line vessels, then sailboards and kites are faster. If you want real speed, keep your eye on Wot Rocket, from the rumours I have heard from her trials, she is going to smash 50kn.
I can't imagine anyone would want the foilers to fail, every advance in this sport is cool, lets just keep a sense of perspective
Ummm Did you see the moth Worlds in Garda. On the windy Day I think every boat had multiple swims. A foiling 18 in those conditions would be unsailable. I like the fact that doug ignored my other post as he really has no idea what its like to sail these boats and just talks rubish.
Sailingkid
Super Anarchist
I cant see why they just didn't put foils on a newer 18, then just move the centreboard forward. Also are they ever gunna get that 3rd bloke on trap? Watching the vid it looks like they are trying to achive windward heel, but to keep the foils in the water he has to be in the middle. So why notg just sail it 2 up?
They probably need a bit more wind to get the third bloke out on the wire.
It would be nice if Jundt could come back here to DA and tell us a little about his new machine...
bgulari
Super Anarchist
I've long wondered this about many vocal members here- not just in DA, throughout the forum.
I reckon it's a symptom of the majority US membership (it is after all an American owned and run site)- sailing in the US seems much less receptive to new things.
Doug Lord
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Funk, you don't need to give dagbar lessons about foils-he knows twice what you ever will. Your post is in error -as usual: BI_FOILING has only been around since 1999-and that is not very long. It is a testament to Thomas and his team that they are pushing the envelope in what is,essentially, a brand new technology. More power to them!
Essex
Super Anarchist
We could have an interesting discussion here if you would just stay away with your sycophantic fawning and personal attacks. Would that be possible ?
Ross
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