New Foiler

[AlStorer]

ya think? :lol: fuckin a am I getting tired of that term!

Just a little! Not everyone on here, and not all Americans though, as hey, sweeping generalisations are generally rubbish.

Ahem.

 

[allanstuart]

-----------------------Funk, you don't need to give dagbar lessons about foils-he knows twice what you ever will. Your post is in error -as usual: BI_FOILING has only been around since 1999-and that is not very long. It is a testament to Thomas and his team that they are pushing the envelope in what is,essentially, a brand new technology. More power to them!

twat

 

[TeamFugu]

FWIW, Don't quote posts by HWSNBN as in deference to our mates who have chosen the ignore option. I recently violated the code but it provides context for the response. In fact, it would probably be best if we didn't respond to the troll.

 

[Jundt]

They probably need a bit more wind to get the third bloke out on the wire.It would be nice if Jundt could come back here to DA and tell us a little about his new machine...

Hello anarchists

Sorry for not posting before but I was two days in bed after the press conference (sponsor's obligation) of Thursday, the weeks before were to intense.

I am very happy to see that my "thing" inspires many comments.

Basically Toby Heppels article on thedailysail.com explains very well the general ideas.

We have now been sailing for over a year with our upgraded 18.

It works very well now :

- we are able to gybe easyly on the wings when the wind is more than 12 knots

- with a small rig 17 + 7 sqm (on the big mast) we fly in 20 knots of TWS

- we are learning the veal heal and are going upwind 14 kns at 55 TWA

- the boat weighs 220 kg (it took + 25 kg changing to foils)

- FOILING IS FUN !!!!

To be more polyvalent for the lake races the boat lacks performance in none foiling conditions, the 18 hull is not the best shape in light wind conditions

So the basic ideas of the new machine where

- keep the rig and wings and bowsprit (new sails though)

- keep the foils (optimise position)

put away the 18 footer hull and replace it by

- a slender hull for non flying conditions (50 % of our sailing time)

- gain as much weight as possible to lift off as soon as possible

But today I still do not know what would be the best hull shape (straight line performance vs stability)

But I was sur to be able to build the lightest frame work possible with standsrd tubes ( from C-tech Newsealand)

Building a monocoque straight away I was afraid to build from "shed to shred", that is the reason to have seperated the two functions

First we will fit a catamaran hull (the upper 2/3 rds choppped off) as you can see on the computer renderings, lenght 28 feet width 1.5 feet, with completely round sections - no idea weather we are able to stand up more than 1 second .but ..If it works it should really improve light wind performance (minimal wetted surface ) and that would be our polyvalent standard set up

this hull will weihgh 30 kg

To hget the numbers right

mast and sails an bowsprit and boom 40 kg

structure 35 kg

foils tiller extensiosn etc 30 kg

rpoes clams etc 5 kg

wings 18 feet (no C class here) 15 kg

total ideal flying weigth 125 kg

catamaran hull 30 kg

crew 240 kg

total sailin weight 395 kg

other ideas include

- two inflated round bananas 3 kg each

- rapp the whole thing in some film

- buils lighter hull with no sandwich but air presure indide etc

rom the first picture of post one you can tell:

- slack d4 >> slack downhaul <> slack leach >> low tacking and third man in side

- bad wand response flying to hih front foil

- good heal sometimes too much

- speed going 17-18 kn reachnin

- stupide crew, for forgetting that the foam floatters were not meant for heavy landing

the two othwer picturs show

- oil rig floatters made of sewer pipes quickly made but too heavy

- our "spinaker" actually a flying stay sail

I sold a 3 year program to the bank and we will really nead these three years to tune thiis machine

So we are looking forward for three years of fun

i will try to inform fromtime to time on evolution on our blog :www.jundt.ch/mirabaudlx

regards

thomas

(yes we bought helmests)

 

[Christian]

Hello anarchists
Sorry for not posting before but I was two days in bed after the press conference (sponsor's obligation) of Thursday, the weeks before were to intense.

I am very happy to see that my "thing" inspires many comments.

Basically Toby Heppels article on thedailysail.com explains very well the general ideas.

We have now been sailing for over a year with our upgraded 18.

It works very well now :

- we are able to gybe easyly on the wings when the wind is more than 12 knots

- with a small rig 17 + 7 sqm (on the big mast) we fly in 20 knots of TWS

- we are learning the veal heal and are going upwind 14 kns at 55 TWA

- the boat weighs 220 kg (it took + 25 kg changing to foils)

- FOILING IS FUN !!!!

To be more polyvalent for the lake races the boat lacks performance in none foiling conditions, the 18 hull is not the best shape in light wind conditions

So the basic ideas of the new machine where

- keep the rig and wings and bowsprit (new sails though)

- keep the foils (optimise position)

put away the 18 footer hull and replace it by

- a slender hull for non flying conditions (50 % of our sailing time)

- gain as much weight as possible to lift off as soon as possible

But today I still do not know what would be the best hull shape (straight line performance vs stability)

But I was sur to be able to build the lightest frame work possible with standsrd tubes ( from C-tech Newsealand)

Building a monocoque straight away I was afraid to build from "shed to shred", that is the reason to have seperated the two functions

First we will fit a catamaran hull (the upper 2/3 rds choppped off) as you can see on the computer renderings, lenght 28 feet width 1.5 feet, with completely round sections - no idea weather we are able to stand up more than 1 second .but ..If it works it should really improve light wind performance (minimal wetted surface ) and that would be our polyvalent standard set up

this hull will weihgh 30 kg

To hget the numbers right

mast and sails an bowsprit and boom 40 kg

structure 35 kg

foils tiller extensiosn etc 30 kg

rpoes clams etc 5 kg

wings 18 feet (no C class here) 15 kg

total ideal flying weigth 125 kg

catamaran hull 30 kg

crew 240 kg

total sailin weight 395 kg

other ideas include

- two inflated round bananas 3 kg each

- rapp the whole thing in some film

- buils lighter hull with no sandwich but air presure indide etc

rom the first picture of post one you can tell:

- slack d4 >> slack downhaul <> slack leach >> low tacking and third man in side

- bad wand response flying to hih front foil

- good heal sometimes too much

- speed going 17-18 kn reachnin

- stupide crew, for forgetting that the foam floatters were not meant for heavy landing

the two othwer picturs show

- oil rig floatters made of sewer pipes quickly made but too heavy

- our "spinaker" actually a flying stay sail

I sold a 3 year program to the bank and we will really nead these three years to tune thiis machine

So we are looking forward for three years of fun

i will try to inform fromtime to time on evolution on our blog :www.jundt.ch/mirabaudlx

regards

thomas

(yes we bought helmests)

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Cool project - like the idea of the inflatable bananas - you could even fill them with helium to make the whole thing even lighter. And you could then ask Chiquita to become a co-sponsor

 

[k_b]

Hello anarchists
Sorry for not posting before but I was two days in bed after the press conference (sponsor's obligation) of Thursday, the weeks before were to intense.

I am very happy to see that my "thing" inspires many comments.

Basically Toby Heppels article on thedailysail.com explains very well the general ideas.

We have now been sailing for over a year with our upgraded 18.

It works very well now :

- we are able to gybe easyly on the wings when the wind is more than 12 knots

- with a small rig 17 + 7 sqm (on the big mast) we fly in 20 knots of TWS

- we are learning the veal heal and are going upwind 14 kns at 55 TWA

- the boat weighs 220 kg (it took + 25 kg changing to foils)

- FOILING IS FUN !!!!

To be more polyvalent for the lake races the boat lacks performance in none foiling conditions, the 18 hull is not the best shape in light wind conditions

So the basic ideas of the new machine where

- keep the rig and wings and bowsprit (new sails though)

- keep the foils (optimise position)

put away the 18 footer hull and replace it by

- a slender hull for non flying conditions (50 % of our sailing time)

- gain as much weight as possible to lift off as soon as possible

But today I still do not know what would be the best hull shape (straight line performance vs stability)

But I was sur to be able to build the lightest frame work possible with standsrd tubes ( from C-tech Newsealand)

Building a monocoque straight away I was afraid to build from "shed to shred", that is the reason to have seperated the two functions

First we will fit a catamaran hull (the upper 2/3 rds choppped off) as you can see on the computer renderings, lenght 28 feet width 1.5 feet, with completely round sections - no idea weather we are able to stand up more than 1 second .but ..If it works it should really improve light wind performance (minimal wetted surface ) and that would be our polyvalent standard set up

this hull will weihgh 30 kg

To hget the numbers right

mast and sails an bowsprit and boom 40 kg

structure 35 kg

foils tiller extensiosn etc 30 kg

rpoes clams etc 5 kg

wings 18 feet (no C class here) 15 kg

total ideal flying weigth 125 kg

catamaran hull 30 kg

crew 240 kg

total sailin weight 395 kg

other ideas include

- two inflated round bananas 3 kg each

- rapp the whole thing in some film

- buils lighter hull with no sandwich but air presure indide etc

rom the first picture of post one you can tell:

- slack d4 >> slack downhaul <> slack leach >> low tacking and third man in side

- bad wand response flying to hih front foil

- good heal sometimes too much

- speed going 17-18 kn reachnin

- stupide crew, for forgetting that the foam floatters were not meant for heavy landing

the two othwer picturs show

- oil rig floatters made of sewer pipes quickly made but too heavy

- our "spinaker" actually a flying stay sail

I sold a 3 year program to the bank and we will really nead these three years to tune thiis machine

So we are looking forward for three years of fun

i will try to inform fromtime to time on evolution on our blog :www.jundt.ch/mirabaudlx

regards

thomas

(yes we bought helmests)

View attachment 71931

So by having an 18 foot wingspan and a 28ft hull, you have decided to lay aside the 18 foot skiff rules for a while?

 

[High Flow]

this shit is fucking useless!

 

[Christian]

So by having an 18 foot wingspan and a 28ft hull, you have decided to lay aside the 18 foot skiff rules for a while?

Would appear so - umless he wants to sail it sideways..................

 

[pchanez]

Well Saturday was the first time I was able to sail with my 18' again Thomas Beast (He finally won the Bol d'Or lake Neuchatel). I will let Thomas comment on his boat, but here are my first feeling from outise:

- We sailed upwind in low wind conditions (< 5 knots) and Thomas was not flying. Speed of the 2 18' present was pretty similar to Thomas boat. One of the reason is probably the unstability of the boat (a big moth with 3 guys onboard ... I let you imagine).

- Downwind we started with the same low wind conditions and I got the feeling that we came back on Thomas (but we were not closed together, so it is difficult to say). Then the wind increase a little bit (we were about 8-9 knots under kite) and Thomas took off and then "bye bye" ... nearly 1.5 to 2 times faster than me !

- At the end the wind continue to increase (we were sailing at 15-16 knots) and then we were probably faster than the Mirabaud (but at this stage Thomas was far in front of me ...)

So I would say that in 2-3 bf, the boat is nearly untouchable downwind (in fact between the time she's taking off until the time the 18' is planning), and probably that the boat is much faster upwind when she's flying

(pictures from Yves Ryncki)

 

[dougculnane]

Thanks for the report Patrick. One question is not clear to me. Where you sailing a foiling or a lowriding 18?

Thanks,

Doug Culnane

 

[pchanez]

Thanks for the report Patrick. One question is not clear to me. Where you sailing a foiling or a lowriding 18?
Thanks,

Doug Culnane

a lowriding 18' (see picture)

 

[theycallmegod]

I like the new hull...

Is that the cat hull you originally planned?

 

[trucdesign]

a lowriding 18' (see picture)

Is it to old 4us? I remember it in Sardinia 3 years go, with different bow. same hull?

beautiful look, but not the fastest 18 I think

 

[Doug Lord]

Interesting "buoyancy pods"/bags!

 

[tinga]

Well Saturday was the first time I was able to sail with my 18' again Thomas Beast (He finally won the Bol d'Or lake Neuchatel). I will let Thomas comment on his boat, but here are my first feeling from outise:
- We sailed upwind in low wind conditions (< 5 knots) and Thomas was not flying. Speed of the 2 18' present was pretty similar to Thomas boat. One of the reason is probably the unstability of the boat (a big moth with 3 guys onboard ... I let you imagine).

- Downwind we started with the same low wind conditions and I got the feeling that we came back on Thomas (but we were not closed together, so it is difficult to say). Then the wind increase a little bit (we were about 8-9 knots under kite) and Thomas took off and then "bye bye" ... nearly 1.5 to 2 times faster than me !

- At the end the wind continue to increase (we were sailing at 15-16 knots) and then we were probably faster than the Mirabaud (but at this stage Thomas was far in front of me ...)

So I would say that in 2-3 bf, the boat is nearly untouchable downwind (in fact between the time she's taking off until the time the 18' is planning), and probably that the boat is much faster upwind when she's flying

(pictures from Yves Ryncki)

Come back and report when either of you can get within 15 minutes of the good boats around the track

 

[pchanez]

Is it to old 4us? I remember it in Sardinia 3 years go, with different bow. same hull?beautiful look, but not the fastest 18 I think

Yes ... with a new bow (and now a new jib, not as on the pict). BTW, I'm not sure if the speed problem came from the boat or from me and my team (when I bought her, she was European champion)

 

[Sailingkid]

yah i think it looks cool as well with the new hull. B)

 

[pchanez]

Come back and report when either of you can get within 15 minutes of the good boats around the track

Will be done after the European Champs (1st week of July), where Howie, John, Grant will be there. Thomas will join, but with his foiled 18' (using same rig and foils)

 

[cabsav]

That looks like so much fun!

Three years to piss about making stuff out of carbon and sailing really fast sounds pretty good to me!

But can it do this

?

 

[Doug Lord]

Just noticed that Mirabaud has DUAL WANDS(click on the picture) and notice the wand position as well: