New Foiler

[mexican]

Hello anarchists
I am very happy to see that my "thing" inspires many comments.

Basically Toby Heppels article on thedailysail.com explains very well the general ideas.

We have now been sailing for over a year with our upgraded 18.

It works very well now :

- we are able to gybe easyly on the wings when the wind is more than 12 knots

- with a small rig 17 + 7 sqm (on the big mast) we fly in 20 knots of TWS

- we are learning the veal heal and are going upwind 14 kns at 55 TWA

- the boat weighs 220 kg (it took + 25 kg changing to foils)

- FOILING IS FUN !!!!

To be more polyvalent for the lake races the boat lacks performance in none foiling conditions, the 18 hull is not the best shape in light wind conditions

So the basic ideas of the new machine where

- keep the rig and wings and bowsprit (new sails though)

- keep the foils (optimise position)

put away the 18 footer hull and replace it by

- a slender hull for non flying conditions (50 % of our sailing time)

- gain as much weight as possible to lift off as soon as possible

But today I still do not know what would be the best hull shape (straight line performance vs stability)

But I was sur to be able to build the lightest frame work possible with standsrd tubes ( from C-tech Newsealand)

Building a monocoque straight away I was afraid to build from "shed to shred", that is the reason to have seperated the two functions

First we will fit a catamaran hull (the upper 2/3 rds choppped off) as you can see on the computer renderings, lenght 28 feet width 1.5 feet, with completely round sections - no idea weather we are able to stand up more than 1 second .but ..If it works it should really improve light wind performance (minimal wetted surface ) and that would be our polyvalent standard set up

this hull will weihgh 30 kg

To hget the numbers right

mast and sails an bowsprit and boom 40 kg

structure 35 kg

foils tiller extensiosn etc 30 kg

rpoes clams etc 5 kg

wings 18 feet (no C class here) 15 kg

total ideal flying weigth 125 kg

catamaran hull 30 kg

crew 240 kg

total sailin weight 395 kg

other ideas include

- two inflated round bananas 3 kg each

- rapp the whole thing in some film

- buils lighter hull with no sandwich but air presure indide etc

i will try to inform fromtime to time on evolution on our blog :www.jundt.ch/mirabaudlx

regards

thomas

(yes we bought helmests)

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Thomas

Would you describe your craft as a sportsboat? I don't think you mentioned any self righting abilities...

Thanks

Mex

 

[Jundt]

Thomas
Would you describe your craft as a sportsboat? I don't think you mentioned any self righting abilities...

Thanks

Mex

I would say it has very good self-capsizing ability..

 

[Lunada9]

I would say it has very good self-capsizing ability..

Ohhh, Mister Know-It-All... er, I mean Douglas Lord?

Do you see and comprehend the post shown above? Please cease in your desperate drive to peg all things as foiling.

BOZMan

 

[Dicko]

You're still the only one who calls it a sportsboat cock-forehead, why are you posting your drivel in DA then anyway?

 

[Lunada9]

Lord Bonesmoke is so desperate to be a part of anything foiling.

I shudder to think of what he might drink just to get that taste on his lips. Have you ever seen what a submissive dog does when he sniffs the marker left by a more superior Alpha Male?

They get all twitchy, the lower jaw begins to shudder, their eyes glaze over and they run to the back bedroom to make more models. They just want so badly to be next to the action.

Lord Bonesmoke is such a creature.

 

[rapscall!on]

What drives a man to such strangeness? Is it the Florida water? All that medication making it's way to the watertable? The strangest creature of all is a mutant with a crusade, the second strangest is Bettie Page in her 80s asking for a light.... oh bliss!

 

[teknologika]

I was wondering where HWSNBN had gone ...

 

[Doug Lord]

Though Mirabaud is a sportboat,not a dinghy, she was born from an 18. She's racing this weekend in the Lake Geneva "Bol d'or Mirabaud" after having won the Lake Neuchatel Bol d'or recently. Make history guys!!

UPDATE: appears to be light air....

 

[Lunada9]

Make history guys!!

Perfect example of the gentrified practice known as The Smoking of the Bone.

In this case, it's the elusive Swiss Bone that clouds the air of the Lord's chamber. There are other trite phrases used by the Lord. Feel free to create a string of them.

Sail Fast, Boys (should be said with a strong lisp in a semi-melodic manner)

 

[SimonN]

Though Mirabaud is a sportboat,not a dinghy, she was born from an 18.

You are the only person who thinks it is a sportsboat and you have consistantly refused to provide any supporting evidence, save for 2 out of context quotes. It does not meet any defintition of a sportsboat, other than length. You are a delusional liar who lives in a fantacy world fueled by the achievements of others. So,

SHUT THE FUCK UP, DOUG

 

[Tom Corbett]

In Mum's basement this weekend Dougie will also attempt to "make history" by "double handed foiling" for longer than thirty seconds. Godspeed Lord Bonesmoke!

 

[Doug Lord]

You are the only person who thinks it is a sportsboat and you have consistantly refused to provide any supporting evidence, save for 2 out of context quotes. It does not meet any defintition of a sportsboat, other than length. You are a delusional liar who lives in a fantacy world fueled by the achievements of others. So,
SHUT THE FUCK UP, DOUG

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Such language from an old man,old thinker, past his prime bullshit artist. Don't you know that I don't respect you at all and wouldn't honor such a request from you under any circumstances? The definitions you rely on for your dogmatic interpretation of what is NOT a sportboat make me sick and such thinking does a major disservice to innovation in sailboat design. Luckily,assholes like you won't succeed in preventing the discussion of this new technology because I will personally see to it regardless of the crap you-or anybody else- throws my way. You sail a Moth(when you're not falling off) but you don't understand the importance of the very young technology the Moth uses and its applications in other areas of sailing. You're afraid-like many others-of the enormous changes coming to sailboat design as a direct result of this technology.

So,no,Simon I won't shut the fuck up-not now-not ever.

 

[SimonN]

Doug

Please can you explain why you insist on posting pictures of others when it is your claims that are in question. You have had nothing at all to do with any of the foilers you keep showing pictures of. By posting them it seems that you are trying to gain some credibility. You are a fraud!

 

[Tom Corbett]

I have a feeling, Dougie, that when you are "foiling" alone in the dark you are a "premature innovator". If you want to break that thirty second barrier, you need some new pictures. Come on, Dougie, make history.

 

[k_b]

So Doug, what do you think would happen if someone wanted to enter Mirabaud into Geelong week (or some other sportsboat event run by the Australian Sportsboat Association)?

It would fail the entry criteria on these points:

-Beam of hull not to be less than 2.3m

-Self righting :lol:

-Capable of carrying an outboard motor of not less than 3HP

-Satisfies Yachting Australia safety requirements Category 6

The fact that Mirabaud cannot self right means that it is not a sportsboat!

PS- you are looking really stupid!

 

[Doug Lord]

Simon, you continue to misrepresent the facts after you have repeatedly been corrected. You have carried out discussions like that all the way along. It's really too bad that that is the only way you can cover your own uninformed ass. Pathetic really.

 

[Doug Lord]

So Doug, what do you think would happen if someone wanted to enter Mirabaud into Geelong week (or some other sportsboat event run by the Australian Sportsboat Association)?
It would fail the entry criteria on these points:

-Beam of hull not to be less than 2.3m

-Self righting :lol:

-Capable of carrying an outboard motor of not less than 3HP

-Satisfies Yachting Australia safety requirements Category 6

The fact that Mirabaud cannot self right means that it is not a sportsboat!

PS- you are looking really stupid!

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Fuck the Australian Sportboat Association-IF they don't have a category for all of Australia that would cover inshore sportboats like Mirabaud.

 

[Doug Lord]

Mirabaud LX 53rd(out of 500) in todays race.....

http://www.boldormirabaud.com/boldor2008/c...sement=nautique

 

[67ljf]

============================Fuck the Australian Sportboat Association-IF they don't have a category for all of Australia that would cover inshore sportboats like Mirabaud.

apologies to the guys who have DL on ignore

What the phuck drugs are you on DL? And you accuse SimonN of misrepresenting facts.

This comment will really get under peopes skin, why on earth would any association around the world have a category for a one off tube machine that has proved nothing, and just answer the simple question that even the owner/designer/sailor of the tube machine says... is it self righting??... NO, therefore its not a sportsboat... thats a FACT

Just realise this is a one off tube machine designed for 5 knots of winds on swiss lake with no waves... end of story... not a revolution, not going to rewrite the 18 rules, not going to do anything exept sail in swiss in 5 knots of wind on a flat lake... good on him for trying something a little different, but thats about it... a little different

So take the challenge DL, if the "old" foiling skiff gets smashed in France in 2 weeks time by normal 18s in all conditions with legal wings... will you go away... and as SimonN put it so perfectly S.T.F.U. Doug?

I would still like to know why hes not taking the new tube machine, oh ye I forgot its not desinged for "real" sailing conditions

So 2 weeks and counting... whats the betting? Keep us informed of the FACTS Patrick

Put your money where your mouth is Dougy... or admit in 2 weeks you are full of....... That apology to SimonN will be great reading

Cant wait :lol:

 

[Doug Lord]

if the "old" foiling skiff gets smashed in France in 2 weeks time by normal 18s in all conditions with legal wings...

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First, I'm not going anywhere ,period. Second: the foiling 18's have already beaten the "normal" 18 . And an 18 designed with a skinny hull but legal would wipe out any normal 18's in almost every condition. A wide "old" converted 18 is in no way representative of a foiler 18 designed from scratch.