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[Fiji Bitter]

And its not like this class isn't the hottest design space outside of AC anyway.

As Boink says!

And besides, it's an owners driven class, with highly experienced and knowledgeable sailors, who know a lot better than some tin foil head whinging "sailors" on SA...

That is the deal, take it or leave it.

 

[staysail]

As Boink says!

And besides, it's an owners driven class, with highly experienced and knowledgeable sailors, who know a lot better than some tin foil head whinging "sailors" on SA...

That is the deal, take it or leave it.

Read what Boink actually said about the owners/sailors.

"so they would go with an old rig or a keel with a couple of laps already clocked up - and hence failure. Even the A grade teams with high budgets and intentions might be tempted by the carbon rams or hollow titantium bolts etc - at vast cost but but also higher risk of failure. So it was pre One Design abused by all and sundry throughout the fleet. "

Not exactly high praise! He blames both rich and poor, for taking the risks which led to the failures.

I agree with you that the current breed of owners, sailors and designers are indeed highly experienced. That is why the class doesn't any more need to have these keel and mast restrictions (which are not working!) imposed. That is the opposite of what Boink says as I read his post!

 

[Fiji Bitter]

@staysail, are you trying to confuse me?

Is not gone happen!

 

[bridhb]

The Golden Globe Race thread is elswere man

That made me laugh.  You are correct.  I am a retro grouch....ride steel framed bicycles!

 

[Boink]

Since when has advocating more freedom been "whingeing"?

It's a Transmission vs. Reception issue.

What you seem to fail to remember is that is that as the creator of that opinion - which no doubt, plays out in your own head, as craftily created and impervious to all other points of view - is in fact just opinion, but stated several times as a complaint, of the current situation.

It is interesting that in one posting you advocate materials restrictions, I think based on cost, yet in another bemoan stifling creative choices or restrictions that might otherwise produce superior performance or advances in design.

So, as long as you are the wise arbitrator of where this point of restraint or restriction happens; then you will be happy or satisfied.

Otherwise, with the status quo, you are not....

Yet we are discussing a massively popular event and class of boat that is in rude health.

Which circles us back to the commonly found situation - Whingers never like to be identified, but you do fit the definition. Not forgetting that usually, the only person who cannot identify who or where the Whinger is; is the Whinger.....


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 [SIZE=.75rem]UK[/SIZE] informal disapproving 

 
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a person who complains repeatedly
 
 

 

[Your Mom]

That made me laugh.  You are correct.  I am a retro grouch....ride steel framed bicycles!

I kinda like what the Minis do...  with the serie and proto options...  Seems like it could be scaled up to Class 40's and IMOCAs...  The Serie version would achieve the spirit of your point without blowing the development of the whole class, and would also allow lower-budget or first-time-owners to build experience on Serie versions while the pros are pushing the limits of technology in Proto.

 

[JonRowe]

It's a good split, the tamer more solid series vs the prototypes, but its not necessarily lower budget... A back of the fleet proto can be very cheap.

I'd argue Class 40s are your series IMOCA in a way, non carbon hull, fixed keel, no outriggers... Step towards the IMOCA without being one... 

 

[savoir]

Or when the keel hit the object, the load got transferred to the bearing support structure, which failed, and the keel fell out. If the keel itself failed then much less likely that they would have to cut it free. Sounds like the keel itself was intact until they were able to cut through the ram. 

If you are right then the thing that broke was whatever it is that supports the keel hinge presumably because it couldn't handle the loads.  Whichever is correct I still don't buy the collision theory.  Not enough hull damage.

 

[Chimp too]

That is why the class doesn't any more need to have these keel and mast restrictions (which are not working!) imposed. That is the opposite of what Boink says as I read his post!

A development class like this will always need some restrictions. The current breed of skippers are demonstrating that they won’t stop development. The OD rig in particular controls them. Don’t forget that the class always meant to vary an RM control. But the 10 degree rule got worked around. The OD rig is much harder to cheat. It is doing just what the class intended.

 

[Chimp too]

If you are right then the thing that broke was whatever it is that supports the keel hinge presumably because it couldn't handle the loads.  Whichever is correct I still don't buy the collision theory.  Not enough hull damage.

Collision with the keel, not the boat. Imagine a whale swimming along minding its own business a few meters below the surface.

 

[Rainbow Spirit]

Would some sort of whale warning devise sending out pings (to scare away the whales) every so often, offer some protection for both the whales and the boats?

 

[DtM]

Nope

 

[Miffy]

Would some sort of whale warning devise sending out pings (to scare away the whales) every so often, offer some protection for both the whales and the boats?

Many marine biologists, anti-whaling activists, navies, shipping companies have tried. No one has found a signal. 

 

[Sailbydate]

Not sure a whale was involved. But one thing about whales is that maybe they're just not aware of the speed of approaching vessels these days.

18 knots would be bad enough, but 25-30 knots? 

Would they even be able to get out of the way in time, considering they swim at about 6 or 7 knots.

 

[Chimp too]

Not sure a whale was involved. But one thing about whales is that maybe they're just not aware of the speed of approaching vessels these days.

We will never know for sure what they hit, but considering they weren’t hurt from the impact, sounds like it was something soft and not floating at the surface. So could have been. Not something to advertise if it was anyway. 

 

[t.rex]

A thousand kilograms of synthetic fishnet might have the equivalent stopping power of a whale strike and would be relatively 'soft'.

Lots of fishnet out there. Begs the question: Are there any whales left in the Anthropocene ?

 

[staysail]

Either we have got much better at spotting whales in Biscay and the North Atlantic or the whale population there is increasing fast. Years ago we seldom saw any. Now it is common to see fin whales, slightly less often we see sperm whales and sometimes we see groups of pilot whales. Hard to beleive whales are an endangered species any more from what we are seeing.  Marine biologist friends who know about whales say that running an engine without engaging the prop will get them to back off if they get curious about us and come close and  that works at the speeds we sail at. If we were to be doing over 20 knots I doubt they would get out of the way. Makes one wonder how many get hit by big fast ships?

And by the way, fin and blue whales swim much faster than 6 or 7 knots. Both species can do over 20 knots, and more for short bursts. Of course they also sleep!

 

[JL92S]

Either we have got much better at spotting whales in Biscay and the North Atlantic or the whale population there is increasing fast. Years ago we seldom saw any. Now it is common to see fin whales, slightly less often we see sperm whales and sometimes we see groups of pilot whales. Hard to beleive whales are an endangered species any more from what we are seeing.  Marine biologist friends who know about whales say that running an engine without engaging the prop will get them to back off if they get curious about us and come close and  that works at the speeds we sail at. If we were to be doing over 20 knots I doubt they would get out of the way. Makes one wonder how many get hit by big fast ships?

And by the way, fin and blue whales swim much faster than 6 or 7 knots. Both species can do over 20 knots, and more for short bursts. Of course they also sleep!

The sounds of the props can heard from miles away on a ship though right? But also the bow of a ship is blunt compared to the fine entry of a keel fin. There could also be a pressure wave riding in front of a ship too that might prevent a collision but might soften it further

 

[Monkey]

The sounds of the props can heard from miles away on a ship though right? But also the bow of a ship is blunt compared to the fine entry of a keel fin. There could also be a pressure wave riding in front of a ship too that might prevent a collision but might soften it further

Or...

 

[stief]

More pics (higher resolution here), but no more details about the keel.