new mini, who says it needs to be beautifull

[Presuming Ed]

In lighter airs wouldn't you want to maximise water line length whilst reducing wetted surface area. Not sure the scow delivers this.

Mini transat is across the Bay of Biscay in Autumn, then downwind across the Atlantic. Light winds not the main priority, I would think.

 

[Presuming Ed]

Looks like an Uffa Fox design

How do you work that out. This is a bit more Uffa Foxy.

Well, to be fair, so is this

 

[LeoV]

 

[mad]

How many scow bow minis are there now? And have any of them gone head to head yet?

Are there any more details about rig around?

 

[Presuming Ed]

Also made with recyclable resin as well.

 

[LeoV]

How many scow bow minis are there now? And have any of them gone head to head yet?

Are there any more details about rig around?

Two original scow designed by Raison who get the credits for this evolution or creationism.

http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/Histoire%20des%20Minis/747.htm

http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/Histoire%20des%20Minis/865.htm

Then Froggy from sailor Koster, forgot who designed it. Had kind of foily daggerboards.

http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/Histoire%20des%20Minis/888.htm

And this is nr 4.

The 865 and 888 raced each other a few times, the Raison is fast.

For instance the Mini Mai just sailed:

http://yb.tl/mem2016?ignoreUA=true

 

[moody frog]

Also made with recyclable resin as well.

Which is the key behind the budget: part of the launching campaign for recyclable resins by Arkema.

 

[Boink]

This is a very cool project.

Majorly innovative design and construction.

Looks high budget. Great rig. Well thought out foils. Movable forestay.

Is the skipper a well regarded talent? Another Gabart in the making?

My heart wants this to go incredibly well - concerned that there are almost too many new things that need some proper field testing to realise their potential.

The foils need lots of usable power and soft wingsails have that potential - but some recuts are the order of the day. The lack of shrouds allow proper overlapping headsails once again - maybe even narrow sheeting on of Code Zeros.

This new resin Elium seems to be a major advance in terms of recyclability and might actually address the elephant in the room that nobody has ever dealt with - what do you do with Old High Tech Raceboats? Think about how this could be used in lots of fleets (AC, VOR, IMOCA, or Olympic) to be able to say that they are cutting edge technology, performance AND recyclable - cant use the R word much at the moment.... Good stuff by Arkema

 

[tomasis]

Impressive stuffs, Arkema.

One thing I miss is hemp fiber. Itd make things more recyclable.

I hope to see more scow boats which are clearly faster. That's the future!

Foils make conventional hull shape irrelevant (without losing ability to track through course).

 

[Presuming Ed]

This new resin Elium seems to be a major advance in terms of recyclability and might actually address the elephant in the room that nobody has ever dealt with - what do you do with Old High Tech Raceboats? Think about how this could be used in lots of fleets (AC, VOR, IMOCA, or Olympic) to be able to say that they are cutting edge technology, performance AND recyclable - cant use the R word much at the moment.... Good stuff by Arkema

Not just high tech. Monolithic glass and polyester boats are hardly paragons of greenery.

 

[JL92S]

This picture shows canting foils as well

 

[Varan]

Damn, it is still fugly as all hell.

 

[Longman]

Do you think we will start seeing narrower mini's taking advantage of the foils like Hugo Boss?

 

[LeoV]

yep foils canting and retractable, though I do not think you play much with the canting. You will find the sweet cant spot and stick to it. Reminds me of the longitudinal movable keel, was mostly at one position.

But what is that little protrusion under the canting system... And why that black spot behind the 9 number. Does not seems to be a feature of the layout.

Construction, to be able to melt parts together is interesting.

And proof of recycling; after the finish it should be recycled, how would that process work ?

 

[StumbleNola]

Do you think we will start seeing narrower mini's taking advantage of the foils like Hugo Boss?

Not without a rule change. The rules demand as much static stability as possible because it's the limiting factor in how much canting RM you can have. The more form stability the more canting RM. So every bit of form stability counts.

The foils only generate RM while moving so any stability they provide simply isn't counted under the rule.

The canting RM also helps in light air, when you can can't to leeward to help heel the boat over and get the hull out of the water.

 

[Presuming Ed]

But what is that little protrusion under the canting system... And why that black spot behind the 9 number. Does not seems to be a feature of the layout.

Look like graphics to me. The black spot is an eye - and the grey dot a contrast to the red dots further forward.

 

[LeoV]

Thanks Ed, now I see it.

Graphic department must got worried by the nickname of Kosters boat, Froggy is to sweet, shark is better LOL

 

[jonas a]

Do you think we will start seeing narrower mini's taking advantage of the foils like Hugo Boss?

The high buoyancy bows on some of the Imocas is mainly to prevent the boat from diving, whilst on the minis it also adds RM. At least with the current rules/technology, the boats will mostly be in full or semi deplacement mode

 

[Bruno]

neat ideas, the dual headstay is unusual. Guessing the jib is masthead for main reefing?

 

[Boink]

No, Headstay is to a fractional take off - see the pics at the top of the thread.

Good eyes LeoV - but is that "bump" under the dagger case articulation real, or just another bit of Graphics that looks 3D?

Without the time to look elsewhere it looks suspiciously like a sibling of the smallest red sphere just above the case fairing at the front...... possibly ?