New Moore 33
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When the Hobie 33 was launched, with sails, bottom paint, and basic electronics, out the door they were just under $30K. For comparison purposes a new Corvette was about the same price, just under $30K. In 1983, as a moderately successful 30-year-old, I was able to afford both, along with my small beach front condo in Redondo Beach.
Today a Corvette is $80K. My guess is the M33 with sales bottom paint and basic electronics will be in the $250K range. How many moderately successful 30 somethings can afford this boat?
My guess is Moore will be very lucky for unit sales to get half way to double digits.
It looks like a very cool boat though.
Today a Corvette is $80K. My guess is the M33 with sales bottom paint and basic electronics will be in the $250K range. How many moderately successful 30 somethings can afford this boat?
My guess is Moore will be very lucky for unit sales to get half way to double digits.
It looks like a very cool boat though.
SF Woody Sailor
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I agree, similar to a Melges 32, Hendo 30, etc.
Interesting dayboat, and coastal racer. Not suited for longer offshore racing.
Would be four, five crew for Transpac? Two and two watches. Helm, and trim. All hands for any maneuver, change. Large, long cockpit puts helm out of reach for anything but mainsheet. Standby crew accommodation far forward, not good for weight positioning when fast running. Also extremely wet on deck, and in cockpit. No shelter
If double handing, the long cockpit makes for impossible situation while on watch. No access to sail controls at helm. Balance, and stability not practical for autopilot.
Class 40 is a much better model for modern, crewed, and shorthanded ocean racer. Volume, balance, crew protection, all are much better for offshore, and overnight sailing. Would be interesting to see a 33-34' version of a class 40, with focus of offshore racing. Balanced for fast reaching, running, with autopilot. Primarily furling headsails. Good protection for crew. Foils?
While SoCal has mild conditions for the most part, and the protection from constant water immersion is not a factor, except very rarely. Once offshore, the fatigue from environmental exposure will likely make the experience less than ideal.
Interesting dayboat, and coastal racer. Not suited for longer offshore racing.
Would be four, five crew for Transpac? Two and two watches. Helm, and trim. All hands for any maneuver, change. Large, long cockpit puts helm out of reach for anything but mainsheet. Standby crew accommodation far forward, not good for weight positioning when fast running. Also extremely wet on deck, and in cockpit. No shelter
If double handing, the long cockpit makes for impossible situation while on watch. No access to sail controls at helm. Balance, and stability not practical for autopilot.
Class 40 is a much better model for modern, crewed, and shorthanded ocean racer. Volume, balance, crew protection, all are much better for offshore, and overnight sailing. Would be interesting to see a 33-34' version of a class 40, with focus of offshore racing. Balanced for fast reaching, running, with autopilot. Primarily furling headsails. Good protection for crew. Foils?
While SoCal has mild conditions for the most part, and the protection from constant water immersion is not a factor, except very rarely. Once offshore, the fatigue from environmental exposure will likely make the experience less than ideal.
Chris in Santa Cruz CA
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WOuld love to see boats built in Watsonville again. I think WileyCat 30's were the last new non-dinghies built at whaleworld/moore. Lots of good boatbuilders still around down there.
We can spout the benefits of this or that design and pontificate on what has or should be done. All speculation on an internet forum.
Its mostly nostalgic on my part but it would be cool to see some fun stuff getting pumped out of Santa Cruz again. I hope the guy that stepped up with his vision to build a dual purpose 33' sporty and offshore capable trailer boat is successful.
Key here is dual purpose and the majority of racing would be with a crew around the cans. I would argue that to focus design on shorthanded and offshore would make the boat much less fun to sail the majority of time it will be used. Heck the M33 guys may even be working on different shorthand/offshore versions via build packages/options.
Long cockpit making double handling impossible - really? not practical for autopilot - really? fatigue from environmental exposure - really? I wonder why the Moore 24, E27, A27, Hobie 33 guys sail offshore at all.
Its mostly nostalgic on my part but it would be cool to see some fun stuff getting pumped out of Santa Cruz again. I hope the guy that stepped up with his vision to build a dual purpose 33' sporty and offshore capable trailer boat is successful.
Key here is dual purpose and the majority of racing would be with a crew around the cans. I would argue that to focus design on shorthanded and offshore would make the boat much less fun to sail the majority of time it will be used. Heck the M33 guys may even be working on different shorthand/offshore versions via build packages/options.
Long cockpit making double handling impossible - really? not practical for autopilot - really? fatigue from environmental exposure - really? I wonder why the Moore 24, E27, A27, Hobie 33 guys sail offshore at all.
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AnotherSailor
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Was Watsonville chosen because SC became cost prohibitive? I know Ballinger is there. When I went by his shop I was surprised how far away from the water they are, in the midst of agriculture. I guess shipping a boat over the freeway to SC is going to be cheaper than paying prime rent for a facility closer to the water?
Chris in Santa Cruz CA
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I am sure its cheaper. Where the Santa Cruz yachts were built initially is now one of the highest end residential foothill neighborhoods in the county and was just as inconvenient to the water as Moore's location today. Then SC moved to a large private property at La Selva which has no water access. Thats where all the 52's etc were built I think. Ultimate 20's were built on the same property as well as Waterat's foil manufacturing. Calffee cycles has been on that property for a long time as well. Next to Moore's Watsonville location they can cast lead which is helpful not to have to transport.
Hawaiidart
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And for the love of God, DO NOT sail offshore in a Cal 40 with its death-trap spade rudder!
SF Woody Sailor
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Cal 40's are a death trap. No sane person would sail one offshore. Just ask the 14 boats that sailed in TransPac one-design in 1966 and again in 2005 or the Cal 40 one-design fleet that sailed last year.
ryley
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Hawaiidart
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Plus, the damn thing won't surf!
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solosailor
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Not with a 1500lbs keel in a 3800lbs + sails/gear. I bet it won't meet the righting moment.
Are the going to build it in Watsonville or pull a fast one; anyone remember the SC37?
Does Ron have the technology to build a modern boat? I know he's been making the occasional El Toro, but other than those, whens the last time a new boat came out of that shop?
The most recent I can think of is the Antrim 30 trimaran Erin in the mid 90's. Anything since then?
Does Ron have the technology to build a modern boat? I know he's been making the occasional El Toro, but other than those, whens the last time a new boat came out of that shop?
The most recent I can think of is the Antrim 30 trimaran Erin in the mid 90's. Anything since then?
Swimsailor
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Swimsailor
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It sounds to me the boat is purposefully low tech. Again, benefit of the doubt goes to Ron Moore for me.
AnotherSailor
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Not sure why we are even talking about the Cal 40, but oh well:
It is interesting Ron Moore is going to build the boat indeed, but oh well, hard to doubt him.
It is interesting Ron Moore is going to build the boat indeed, but oh well, hard to doubt him.
Chris in Santa Cruz CA
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It's a boat, not a Ferrari. Two big female tools and a few more small ones, some gel oat, some glass/carbon, divinicel and/or balsa, and resin. Add some craftsmen to do the layup and squeeze excess resin out like their lives depend on it before bagging it and the rest is just details. Though the devil is in there somewhere!
