Next level ugly

[steele]

I don't understand why designers of these contemporary boats don't put more effort into the hull ports. It looks like a lot of thought goes into the overall design, but they then slap on visually jarring big square windows. Deleting them is not really an option based on market expectations, and the overall design with lots of freeboard and minimal cabin houses. They could do a better job of integrating them into the hull.

 

[kinardly]

I don't understand why designers of these contemporary boats don't put more effort into the hull ports. It looks like a lot of thought goes into the overall design, but they then slap on visually jarring big square windows. Deleting them is not really an option based on market expectations, and the overall design with lots of freeboard and minimal cabin houses. They could do a better job of integrating them into the hull.

I think someone in Marketing decides those are de rigueur. Translation: “dated in ten years”.

 

[bridhb]

I think someone in Marketing decides those are de rigueur. Translation: “dated in ten years”.

My 1973 Dufour 35 had them...so a 50 year run?

 

[Diarmuid]

Looks like a damn cartoon to me.
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Where is Spongebob? He's mopping up water from the leaking ports down in the bilge, which this boat probably doesn't have.

I really don't hate it. The dreadnought bow is a bit of affectation perhaps; wedge coachroof calls to the Baltic style; sailplan looks well-proportioned and I bet the controls make it easy to shorthand. Does that low strake really do much, or is it there for the visuals like a beltline crease on automobiles?

While load paths can be diverted with relative ease, especially in this age of directional composites, the old-school side of me winces to see multiple shrouds terminating directly above a long horizontal port. If the rendering is true, that chainplate is nowhere close to the center divider.

 

[slap]

Hull ports - When you are on board you can't see how they look, and below they add in light. At boat shows people just hop on board and immediately go below to admire the interior - it's what makes the sale.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder".

 

[kinardly]

My 1973 Dufour 35 had them...so a 50 year run?

So Dufour was the original. The copy cats are going to push the dated look in ten years.

 

[steele]

Hull ports - When you are on board you can't see how they look, and below they add in light. At boat shows people just hop on board and immediately go below to admire the interior - it's what makes the sale.

I agree that they have advantages, and are now expected in almost all boats. It is still too bad a little more effort does not go into their design when viewed from the outside.
Many of the same manufacturers make power boats with much better integrated hull ports. I'm not saying I love the look of this Beneteau, but at least they tried to make it look like the ports are part of the design instead of just slapped on as an afterthought.

 

[Zonker]

While load paths can be diverted with relative ease, especially in this age of directional composites, the old-school side of me winces to see multiple shrouds terminating directly above a long horizontal port. If the rendering is true, that chainplate is nowhere close to the center divider.

Me too! First thing I think of when I see hull ports.

Hulls of sailboats are in bending due to rig/keel loads. Like a big rounded box beam.

Hull ports are big cutouts in the side of the box beam that can no longer carry any shear stress. I doubt they really give a shit about global hull bending on a cruising boat like this but this is sort of what the stress map looks like. Red arrows are direction of shear stress. The middle windows do a great job of removing the ability of the middle part of the boat to carry any shear stress.

Ideally you'd have diamond shaped windows

 

[Son of Hans]

OK, here is a kindergartener's improvement, for starters

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I agree. I totally don't get the fascination with plumb or reverse stems, especially if you then go and slap a bowsprit on it. Surely it must be cheaper and structurally superior to just extend the lines a little, not to mention looking better and probably deflecting waves a bit better.

 

[Israel Hands]

I agree. I totally don't get the fascination with plumb or reverse stems, especially if you then go and slap a bowsprit on it. Surely it must be cheaper and structurally superior to just extend the lines a little, not to mention looking better and probably deflecting waves a bit better.

Will be remembered like the Edsel.

 

[Crash]

Hull ports - When you are on board you can't see how they look, and below they add in light. At boat shows people just hop on board and immediately go below to admire the interior - it's what makes the sale.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder".

Much like many other areas of contemporary life, we don't want to actually "do" things. We want to pretend we can, if we wanted to. Hence the folks that drive SUVs that can go (or look like they can go) off road. I don't really every plan to drive on so much as a dirt road, but I can look like I might!

I don't actually know how to drive off road, and can't be bothered to learn, but my car has "hill descent control" so I don't have to know....

I don't know how to drive a race car, but my car can rev-match downshifts for me, and if I put it in sport mode, it will make the exhaust pop and bang on overrun just like a race car from the 60s....

My sailboat will never leave the bay, or maybe even the harbor. And I can't be bothered to actually set or douse and flake my sails. But my boat looks like an Ocean Racer...with it's reverse dreadnought bow, and bow sprit, and chines. And I want an interior that is open and airy, as I'm never really going to try to sail upwind off shore....besides, my roller furling main looks like shit upwind....

And my wife really looks like one of those models in the thong bikini and gauzy white shirt....and I don't have a big beer belly either...

Sailboat, cars, whatever. We mostly don't want to really "do." We mostly want people to believe we "could." Even though we "don't."

 

[Priscilla]

Obviously no passage maker I count one sea berth which is pretty appalling for 52ft.

 

[Diarmuid]

Me too! First thing I think of when I see hull ports.

Hulls of sailboats are in bending due to rig/keel loads. Like a big rounded box beam.

Hull ports are big cutouts in the side of the box beam that can no longer carry any shear stress. I doubt they really give a shit about global hull bending on a cruising boat like this but this is sort of what the stress map looks like. Red arrows are direction of shear stress. The middle windows do a great job of removing the ability of the middle part of the boat to carry any shear stress.

Ideally you'd have diamond shaped windows


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Probably they have some kind of tapered 'header' beam to carry the rig loads outside the port opening and maybe some unidirectional tape making a +/- 60° triangle & then down to the waterline?

Alternatively, maybe Hanse figures it'll hold up under coastal until the warranty expires and/or the first owner gets tired of it. Sort of like pan-liner production boats: "If it's good for five years, it's good enuf."

(To be fair, my 1972 Albin Ballad has one of the strangest chainplate designs ever and some genius thought mild steel in the bilge as a mast support was a good idea. )

 

[Zonker]

Alternatively, maybe Hanse figures it'll hold up under coastal until the warranty expires and/or the first owner gets tired of it. Sort of like pan-liner production boats: "If it's good for five years, it's good enuf."

I'd be really betting on this sadly

 

[bgytr]

Me too! First thing I think of when I see hull ports.

Hulls of sailboats are in bending due to rig/keel loads. Like a big rounded box beam.

Hull ports are big cutouts in the side of the box beam that can no longer carry any shear stress. I doubt they really give a shit about global hull bending on a cruising boat like this but this is sort of what the stress map looks like. Red arrows are direction of shear stress. The middle windows do a great job of removing the ability of the middle part of the boat to carry any shear stress.

Ideally you'd have diamond shaped windows


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Thinking of pounding in the Gulf stream upwind, sure looks problematic. I'd expect cracks radiating from all those porthole corners in short order.

 

[Grrr...]

OK, here is a kindergartener's improvement, for starters

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You just turned it into a 1979 Ericson 37.

 

[SloopJonB]

Works for me - King could actually draw beautiful boats.

 

[Priscilla]

Sadly beautiful boats are becoming an endangered species…

 

[Israel Hands]

You just turned it into a 1979 Ericson 37.
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Back in the 70s I was a teen who hoped my old man would buy an Ericson.

 

[Cruisin Loser]

How well are Hanse sailboats built? More Swan or Hunter? Seriously, I have no idea, and am curious.