Next up! Al Franken

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Amati

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Coercion is ingrained around us- Coercion crawls out from under rocks and crawls back under.  It revels and feeds in revenge, lust, and power.  Franken's behavior was wrong, physical, demeaning, and mean spirited.  It's easy to say it pales compared to Moore, but both exist in the same continuum of the same impulse- imposing your desire(s) on others.  Franken should go, just as Clinton should have gone.  Our leaders are fungible in our Democracy.  No one is irreplaceable.  The best thing Franken can do is resign contingent on a woman replacing him. 

If Al does it ^, Trump ( and face it, these acts are the not the uncommon trappings of powerful men) will mock and ridicule Franken for it:

how many would have any respect for a selfless act?

I would.  I will.  

 
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I can appreciate that, and Sean's point.   I like to think that I behave in a generally chivalrous manner, and try to be respectful to everyone.  I certainly wouldn't mind seeing attitudes shift in that direction. 
Dignity and Respect are the modern expression of chivalry,  just as Medieval Corporatism morphed into the moral economy of Adam Smith.  While we suffer under what is for all intent and purpose a post modern Medieval King, a battle is being fought for the next step in our Enlightenment.

 
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Whoa Whoa Whoa.  I said Franken should resign, but then I remembered that when you are famous you can grab women by the pussy-- so what's a little tit grabbing or tongue wrestling?
<_<

 
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Mrleft8

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Let's just face the obvious. This Franken thing and all the other liberal accusations are purely a distraction to get the news off of Sessions, Moore, Trump, THE TAX VOTE, and other things that Trump would rather not have spotlighted right now, in the aftermath of his dismal showing in Asia. At least he didn't puke in anyone's lap (on camera) that we know of.

 

billy backstay

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Whoa Whoa Whoa.  I said Franken should resign, but then I remembered that when you are famous you can grab women by the pussy-- so what's a little tit grabbing or tongue wrestling?
Like I said in the other thread, Franken needs to use the "locker room defense"!  It worked for Trump!  And could he really feel her bewbs through a kevlar vest?  Prank gone wrong, and this Leeanne gets heaps of ink now???

 

kent_island_sailor

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Point.  Such an attitude can be constraining. My focus is more on what Pre Washington articulated in his book of rules: http://www.foundationsmag.com/civility.html . You know, good manners and civility, kinda like being nice when you ask the chicks at the biker party to show you their tits. 
Apparently we need to start with not physically assaulting women and work our way from that towards manners appropriate to the situation.

There is also the "behaves in public as far as you know" thing. JFK was a world record pussy hound and his wife at one point ran off with a rich guy on a yacht and no one even knew where she was. It was known widely to anyone that covered the White House, but back then no one would actually make a big deal out of it. Clinton had the bad luck to use 1950s morals in the new age of Internet Knows All and Tells All.

 

kent_island_sailor

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Another thought - given we are the murderous offspring of the ancestors who were better at killing off their competition and spreading their DNA than anyone else in the area, I fear sex, power, and violence are deeply wired into the human brain. For all of history the reward for a male obtaining power and resources was his pick of females one way or the other :(

 
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Spatial Ed

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I think there should be congressional investigation into all elected federal officials to see if any of them have been accused of sexual misconduct.  Its clear we have a problem.

 

mad

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Not bustin' your balls, but, I'm curious - what change in societal behavior do you want to see? 
How about treating everyone with respect and staying out of there personal space? Male or Female? 

Do you have any daughters, sisters or wife etc? 

Would you like them treated in the same way that feel is acceptable from 20 years ago? 

Not busting your balls, just curious? 

 

Spatial Ed

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Consent.  It’s all about consent.  Being of an age to give it, and the ability to give it prior to a sexual advance.  Works in the porn industry, should apply to all other professions.

 

A guy in the Chesapeake

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Hillary said:
Looks like he is or was a homophobe too

Ia a 1976 Crimson article he was quoted saying (after his skit  was rejected by hasty Pudding)

He recalled writing a skit called "Seamen on Broadway" that was rejected from the Hasty Pudding show "by some preppie so they could take some other preppie's skit." Franken started to smile again, but his tone was serious, too serious. "It's not preppies, cause I'm a preppie myself. I just don't like homosexuals. If you ask me, they're all homosexuals in the Pudding. Hey, I was glad when that Pudding homosexual got killed in Philadelphia." 

 http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1976/4/16/live-from-new-york-its-al/
Everybody was anti-homo in the 70s....  Do you think, absent a continued pattern of behavior, that it's appropriate to judge someone now by something said then?   As it pertains to Franken - it looks like there's more coming to light that might suggest such a pattern, but, I'd appreciate you addressing the question in a broader context. 

How about treating everyone with respect and staying out of there personal space? Male or Female? 

Do you have any daughters, sisters or wife etc? 

Would you like them treated in the same way that feel is acceptable from 20 years ago? 

Not busting your balls, just curious? 
Yup - awesome wife, 4 daughters.  I have taught them to decide for themselves what appropriate boundaries are and to be strong enough to enforce those boundaries.  Neither would accept being treated as a decoration.   If they were this age 30/40 years ago?   I think that would be a different question, as attitudes have changed significantly since then.

 

Mrleft8

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Curious that Trump is so furious that Franken admits to poor judgement, and inappropriate behavior, yet is absolutely mute when asked about Moore.... :rolleyes:

 

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