Night Runner is on the market

[SloopJonB]

Geeze, I dunno Sam - there's a lot of experienced sailors here who died on boats with offset companionways.

 

[Bob Perry]

Why would I draw a dangerous boat? The original Valiant 40 companionway is as offset is is NR's. No one dead yet.

 

[olaf hart]

Why would I draw a dangerous boat? The original Valiant 40 companionway is as offset is is NR's. No one dead yet.

I know of a V40 that has done a couple of 360’s and is still afloat...

 

[Baldur]

Did she sell already? The link for the listing is broke and I dont find her listed at swiftsure. 

 

[IStream]

I may amble by their docks today to see what I can see.

 

[Panoramix]

Did she sell already? The link for the listing is broke and I dont find her listed at swiftsure. 

Still there : http://swiftsureyachts.com/night-runner-perry-custom-42/

 

[IStream]

I may amble by their docks today to see what I can see.

Nevermind, she's in Anacortes. 

 

[Baldur]

Still there : http://swiftsureyachts.com/night-runner-perry-custom-42/

that works. the first link is dead. Dont know why I couldnt find her in the listings. Brain cramp I guess.

 

[zenmasterfred]

For those of you concerned about the companionway, I've been aboard her in one of those epics knockdowns to starboard, you know the kind that has the mast close to horizontal for a couple of minutes with the spinnaker trying to flog the mast out of the boat and the atheists all suddenly convert to Christianity.  She didn't have the hatch boards in place and didn't ship a drop below.  She took good care of us, as always.

FFS!  Night Runner has 10's of thousands of miles under her keel and apparently without a catastrophic hatch problem an obviously still afloat!  Ditto the Valiant 40's, cruising hall of famers.

 

[IStream]

I think the offset companionway joke has crossed the credibility rubicon and is now accepted wisdom. Good job, everybody.

 

[TwoLegged]

FFS!  Night Runner has 10's of thousands of miles under her keel and apparently without a catastrophic hatch problem an obviously still afloat!  Ditto the Valiant 40's, cruising hall of famers.

No no no!  It's all an illusion.

Offset companionway, so NR  sank on her first outing  

 

[zenmasterfred]

I think I was aboard and I don't remember having to swim ashore or bail furiously.  The offset hatch has jumped the shark.  (full disclosure, my hatch is slightly offset and so far so good as my mother used to say).

 

[Matagi]

Isn't that some probability theory mindfück anyway?

I mean, I think it's fair to assume that your boat sails on port tack amd on starboard tack 50% of the time each. You don't know from which side you get hit. If you get hit on the wrong side, the possibility of a catastrophic event goes up, and is higher than with a centered companionway. The opposite is true if you get hit on the right side, i.e., where there is more distance to the companionway than with a centered one.

So that should cancel out over 100% sailing time.

 

[Hawaiidart]

Nevermind, she's in Anacortes. 

Do you know where? Cap Sante or Anacortes Marina perhaps?

 

[IStream]

Sorry, no. I just saw on the listing that she was laying Anacortes.

 

[hobot]

Do you know where? Cap Sante or Anacortes Marina perhaps?

Black double spreader rig, should be easy enough to find.

 

[sam_crocker]

I think she's in Anacortes marina, on the east end.

Attached one of my favorite photos of her hauling the mail.  If you look closely you can see the water hosing out the scuppers along the side of the boat.

 

[Cruisin Loser]

It seems to me that to run a boat like Nightrunner, you need either

• plenty of cash for the ongoing maintenance, and a team of committed crew to help keep her in shape
  

or

• Huge wodges of cash to pay a full-service boatyard to keep her in top shape on a money-no-object basis
  

These days, people in work have less spare time and energy than was the case with Doug's generation, so the first option seems less likely.  That means that Nightrunner needs the very rich owner.  And since she doesn't come as part of an overtly big-money scene like the Maine varnished-boat scene, I wonder if Nightrunner will attract that sort of owner.

My fear is that as an estate sale, she will be sold for 75% of the low asking price to someone who will struggle to maintain her and struggle to drive her as hard ... so she will lose her cachet, and begin a process of decline.

You're confusing Maine with Nantucket. Maybe Camden is a little like that, but I'm not in Camden enough to know. We've spent exactly 3 nights there in 16 years of cruising the coast, all three for races. 

It's a great boat at a great price. Would look nice in Maine. 

 

[Diarmuid]

Isn't that some probability theory mindfück anyway?

I mean, I think it's fair to assume that your boat sails on port tack amd on starboard tack 50% of the time each. You don't know from which side you get hit. If you get hit on the wrong side, the possibility of a catastrophic event goes up, and is higher than with a centered companionway. The opposite is true if you get hit on the right side, i.e., where there is more distance to the companionway than with a centered one.

So that should cancel out over 100% sailing time.

Ah, but you have to weight the probabilities for outcomes. Knockdown on port, offset hatch adds a small additional degree of downflood protection. Knockdown to starboard, it vastly increases downflood potential. 

It's sorta like side-collision auto tests. In theory, a car is equally likely to be hit in either door. But there's always someone sitting in the drivers seat; only a passenger maybe half the time. So you focus your airbags, frame-strengthening, etc on the driver's side.

The above is tongue-in-cheek, but only a little bit. That's how risk-assessment actually works. We did a lot of it in climbing, especially alpine climbing:. The decision tree , weighted, reads something like this: 

Q1: How likely is it something will go wrong?

Q2: What are the likely consequences of something going wrong?

Q3: How much effort is required to mitigate either the risk, or the consequences?

Q4: What additional risks or consequences are introduced by mitigation efforts? 

So you come to a narrow ridge traverse with long scree slopes to either side. The crest is easy, maybe class 2 with a few class 3 sections. Should you rope up and belay? Well, the terrain is easier than anything you've done on the way up, so maybe not? You aren't very likely to fall. BUT: if one of you does fall, mangling or death and a brutal rescue/recovery is near certainty. BUT: Roping up means dropping everything, setting an anchor, flaking out the rope, tying in, possibly setting intermediate gear, setting anchors on the other side, and belaying across your partner .... for 200 feet of ridgeline. BUT: doing that, several times if you are maximally cautious, increases your risk exposure by leaving you subject to fatigue, lightning, and rockfall much longer. So do you chance it?

I've climbed with partners who spent so much time mitigating risks, we rarely tagged a summit & often found ourselves stormed off or rappelling in the dark. I've also climbed with people who third-class over 5.7 sandy slabs in tennies with 500 foot drops to the talus zone when I really, really wanted a rope thanks. Some in the latter category are no longer with us. But while they were, they covered some freakin' ground.

 

[IStream]

I've climbed with partners who spent so much time mitigating risks, we rarely tagged a summit & often found ourselves stormed off or rappelling in the dark. I've also climbed with people who third-class over 5.7 sandy slabs in tennies with 500 foot drops to the talus zone when I really, really wanted a rope thanks. Some in the latter category are no longer with us. But while they were, they covered some freakin' ground.

Don't discount the fact that nothing looks cooler on a headstone than the phrase, "They covered some freakin' ground!"