Nitrogen Hypoxia Death Penalty

[Point Break]

So without getting into the moral swamp of the death penalty I read this morning that after “officials” in Alabama couldn’t get an IV started on a 315 LB inmate to execute by lethal injection they plan to begin to use Nitrogen Hypoxia as a method. I had never heard of it outside of mixed gas diving so I researched it. Interesting as it claims that the asphyxia comes without feelings of respiratory distress and the person just drifts off. Be interesting to follow this as it works its way through the legal challenges sure to come. I just think from a physiological perspective it’s interesting.

 

[Snaggletooth]

They coudente gette 350# teste rope?

 

[SloopJonB]

Isn't that what divers used to call "Rapture of the deep"?

 

[Ed Lada]

Isn't that what divers used to call "Rapture of the deep"?

Yes, medically known as nitrogen narcosis.

 

[Marty Gingras]

So without getting into the moral swamp of the death penalty I read this morning that after “officials” in Alabama couldn’t get an IV started on a 315 LB inmate to execute by lethal injection they plan to begin to use Nitrogen Hypoxia as a method. I had never heard of it outside of mixed gas diving so I researched it. Interesting as it claims that the asphyxia comes without feelings of respiratory distress and the person just drifts off. Be interesting to follow this as it works its way through the legal challenges sure to come. I just think from a physiological perspective it’s interesting.

Same thing with CO, right? Always wondered why they don't use that...

 

[Snaggletooth]

Same thing with CO, right? Always wondered why they don't use that...

Prolley cause distresse in felons lunges

 

[Grande Mastere Dreade]

i can suggest a few volunteers..

 

[MR.CLEAN]

So without getting into the moral swamp of the death penalty I read this morning that after “officials” in Alabama couldn’t get an IV started on a 315 LB inmate to execute by lethal injection they plan to begin to use Nitrogen Hypoxia as a method. I had never heard of it outside of mixed gas diving so I researched it. Interesting as it claims that the asphyxia comes without feelings of respiratory distress and the person just drifts off. Be interesting to follow this as it works its way through the legal challenges sure to come. I just think from a physiological perspective it’s interesting.

It will work poorly, if at all. Have you been to Alabama?

 

[Snaggletooth]

i can suggest a few volunteers..

You wantne to 'vollunteere' them?

 

[Vgree]

Any method that states attempt to use for the death penalty will be heavily judged and will be fought because a large portion of the population doesn't agree with the death penalty.

My understanding is this would be one of the least painful methods, but I'm sure someone will have an issue with it.

Overall I believe in the death penalty because I have interacted with some truly horrible people that don't deserve to be a member of society, but I also think it should be one of those punishments that should be reserved for times when there is undisputed proof of guilt.

 

[Windward]

They couldn't find a vein? Really? 350 or 950, is it that hard to poke about until you find one?

Admittedly I know little about injections in a hospital setting.

 

[Ed Lada]

They couldn't find a vein? Really? 350 or 950, is it that hard to poke about until you find one?

Admittedly I know little about injections in a hospital setting.

As obese as the guy is, I can see why they might have had trouble starting an IV. All of that fat can bury the veins. You could always do a cutdown to a major vein, but that's not something just anybody can do correctly.

There are all kinds of problems finding veins on people of all sizes. Like a lot of people, my veins are large, easy to find and easy to stick. But there are many reasons that it's sometimes difficult to find a vein suitable for an IV. Babies are a nightmare, their veins are just so small.

I think the most difficult stick I ever made was on a black woman that had shunts in both arms for dialysis so the common areas to start an IV on the arms were out. And with dark skin you often can only feel the vein, not see it. Several medics tried and failed. I was good at sticking people so I took a turn. After looking everywhere I saw a little vessel on the top of her foot. I got a small gauge 'butterfly' needle (because it has small plastic 'wings' to hold it with) usually used for small children and infants, and I slipped it right in. Yay me!

 

[veni vidi vici]

So many ways
How about using the confiscated Fentanyl
or
A 9mm to the back of the head

 

[Rasputin22]

Why don't they just use Nitrous Oxide? Also known as Laughing Gas. Easy to come by in Alabama, just go down to the nearest drag racing strip... Because execution is no laughing matter!

 

[Marty Gingras]

How about using the confiscated Fentanyl

Good idea.

 

[Blue Crab]

Why not propofol? Out like a light, then inject with the fast acting death drug.

 

[Raz'r]

Any method that states attempt to use for the death penalty will be heavily judged and will be fought because a large portion of the population doesn't agree with the death penalty.

My understanding is this would be one of the least painful methods, but I'm sure someone will have an issue with it.

Overall I believe in the death penalty because I have interacted with some truly horrible people that don't deserve to be a member of society, but I also think it should be on of those punishments that should be reserved for times when there is undisputed proof of guilt.

I agree there are folks that don't deserve to live. The challenge is figuring out who they are, fairly.

 

[Caca Cabeza]

Physiologically, the panic of I can't breathe is caused by elevated CO2 in the blood, not lowered O2 levels.

Inert gas asphyxia lowers O2 without elevating CO2. Much the same as blacking out without cabin pressurization in an aircraft. One moment you are conscious, the next not.

I have read that in a 100% inert gas environment unconsciousness in about 15 seconds and death in 4-5 minutes.

 

[Go Left]

So the presumption is that we are OK with giving government the right to take a human life, an irreversible act, and just want to discuss clever means to do it so it becomes "easier".

All the while assuming that the judicial process is error free and innocent people are never subject to termination.

Let's get all the "small government" people in the same room and have them discuss why they want "small government" to have the most powerful authority of all.

 

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^Go left nailed it. We've all seen the judicial system fuck up over and over and over again. Its idiotic to let the judicial system determine who lives or dies, except in the most egregious and clear-cut situations, IMO. and by clear-cut, I mean situations where there is 100% zero doubt as to the guilt of the murder, ie he was caught in the act, AND the family of the victims must sign off on the execution.