Nitrogen Hypoxia Death Penalty

Monkey

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Are you confident all these convictions will be flawless, and 100% above question?
That’s the only time I’m okay with it. For example, when they take down a school shooter while he’s doing his thing. I can’t get behind capital punishment on the whole “beyond reasonable doubt” concept. I want 100%, undeniable proof. Personally, I’d prefer to just get rid of it though.
 

Se7en

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Yes, medically known as nitrogen narcosis.
No. At 1 ata, the partial pressure of nitrogen isn't high enough to cause noticible narcosis. You are used to breathing .8 ata nitrogen all the time, upping that to 1.0 ata isn't much of a change. Generally folks don't start to experience any symptoms from narcosis until a PPN2 of ~3.0. People can still function at PPN2 of 5 + ata and are unlikely to suffer lack of consciousness until PPN2 of 10+ ata.

Caca Cabeza had it right.
The mechanism for killing the person is simply the lack of O2, it's nothing to do with the narcotic properties of hyperbaric N2. You could use any inert gas - helium or argon etc would work just as well, but nitrogen is in more plentiful supply.
I've experienced breathing down to PPO2 of .10, with no CO2 present. You don't notice anything. Folks I know went further, to the point of passing out and also reported no distress at all. It's only the CO2 that makes the plastic bag over the head approach uncomfortable. Get rid of the CO2 and there is no distress.
 

Charlie Foxtrot

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The dangers of a nitrogen rich/ oxygen poor environment have been known for years. The victim has no idea. One minute s/he is awake and feeling fine - the next moment - unconscious. It's about as painless and humane as you can get.
 

Go Left

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Vengeance is something an individual wreaks on another person. People, of course, are flawed. As demonstrated when white-skinned folks in Indiana took to stringing up dark-skinned folks for "reasons".

Justice is what a civilized society imposes on its criminals. Civilized societies are also, of course, flawed. As demonstrated when the state puts an innocent person to death.

It is best to leave killing out the equation of either vengeance or justice. Much less likely to come to regret your actions.
 

Monkey

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Vengeance is something an individual wreaks on another person. People, of course, are flawed. As demonstrated when white-skinned folks in Indiana took to stringing up dark-skinned folks for "reasons".

Justice is what a civilized society imposes on its criminals. Civilized societies are also, of course, flawed. As demonstrated when the state puts an innocent person to death.

It is best to leave killing out the equation of either vengeance or justice. Much less likely to come to regret your actions.
There’s plenty of people who left absolutely zero doubt they did what they did. I’ll admit I prefer they just get put down like rabid dogs so that the world is free of them. Unfortunately, it’s hard to write laws that fairly reflect that. I’d rather leave a bunch of monsters locked up for life than have one innocent person essentially murdered by the state.
 

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That’s the only time I’m okay with it. For example, when they take down a school shooter while he’s doing his thing. I can’t get behind capital punishment on the whole “beyond reasonable doubt” concept. I want 100%, undeniable proof. Personally, I’d prefer to just get rid of it though.
Agreed. Active shooter is one thing. It's hard to imagine a defense.

While the result is the same as an execution, the label "death penalty" (to me) involves a trial.
 

Monkey

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Agreed. Active shooter is one thing. It's hard to imagine a defense.

While the result is the same as an execution, the label "death penalty" (to me) involves a trial.
I phrased that poorly. I meant take down as in they took him alive in the act. I won’t lie. I prefer when those monsters get shot by the police, thus skipping the ethical problem.
 

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The issue there, with taking down an active shooter or some other heinous criminal in the act of their crime, is the risk and the mental stress on the police who have to deal with him.

I think those robots with a hand grenade are awesome, in that situation; or a drone or something.
 

Chris in Santa Cruz CA

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Why not propofol? Out like a light, then inject with the fast acting death drug.
Whatever they gave me for my outflow inspection 4 years ago, other than 5 seconds of “hmmm, my arm is cold and maybe burni……”, out like a light in 5 seconds. They gave me an antidote in recovery an hour later and I woke up like nothing happened. Obviously for euthanasia you deliver the the initial shot and drop a 10 ton block of concrete on the person. No antidote. They call it the enhanced wile e coyote.
 

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I phrased that poorly. I meant take down as in they took him alive in the act. I won’t lie. I prefer when those monsters get shot by the police, thus skipping the ethical problem.
The dead don't get a chance to shine a light on the "why".

Without knowing the "why" how can the rest of the population prevent such further acts?
 

chester

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No. At 1 ata, the partial pressure of nitrogen isn't high enough to cause noticible narcosis. You are used to breathing .8 ata nitrogen all the time, upping that to 1.0 ata isn't much of a change. Generally folks don't start to experience any symptoms from narcosis until a PPN2 of ~3.0. People can still function at PPN2 of 5 + ata and are unlikely to suffer lack of consciousness until PPN2 of 10+ ata.

Caca Cabeza had it right.
The mechanism for killing the person is simply the lack of O2, it's nothing to do with the narcotic properties of hyperbaric N2. You could use any inert gas - helium or argon etc would work just as well, but nitrogen is in more plentiful supply.
I've experienced breathing down to PPO2 of .10, with no CO2 present. You don't notice anything. Folks I know went further, to the point of passing out and also reported no distress at all. It's only the CO2 that makes the plastic bag over the head approach uncomfortable. Get rid of the CO2 and there is no distress.
this is the "exit" bag or "sucide" bag method.
 

Steam Flyer

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The idea that the state has the right to kill it's citizens is flawed.

It makes the state no better than the person it pretends to punish.
Disagree.
It's preventative of that person killing more. If you want to claim that carefully and accurately decided verdict by 12 other citizens is the same as whatever whacko greed/lust/random impulse led the murder to commit his crime in the first place, then what is the point of any informed decision?

Everybody is going to die anyway, and it's not like there's a shortage of people. Consider it as if we are just voting an unredeemable maximally undesirable off the island.
 

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Disagree.
It's preventative of that person killing more. If you want to claim that carefully and accurately decided verdict by 12 other citizens is the same as whatever whacko greed/lust/random impulse led the murder to commit his crime in the first place, then what is the point of any informed decision?

Everybody is going to die anyway, and it's not like there's a shortage of people. Consider it as if we are just voting an unredeemable maximally undesirable off the island.
If prevention is the goal then the method is irrelevant.
 

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As a witness, My family has Shrimped off the Atlantic Coast for 50+ years, The Oceans are dying and the food chain is collapsing. The Antarctic Ocean is acidifying at 4x times the normal rate. The de-oxification area of the Waters surrounding the Floridian peninsula are expanding, as witnessed by the death of Manatees and Fish species. I have & can see it coming.

When my time comes, I am damn sure not going to check into some Government Euthanasia Clinic so they can make me into Soylent Green chips.
Oh Hell No, I'm getting a Sarco Capsule Pod and gas-off out of here.
Dignity-in-Dying is your Right-to-Die.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarco_pod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignity_in_Dying
https://www.exit.ch/en/englisch/who-is-exit/

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Steam Flyer

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If prevention is the goal then the method is irrelevant.
Really?
Is killing a "voted off the island" person by torturing them to death better than killing them quickly and painlessly?

In many cultures the cruelest tortures for punishment of crimes were carried out publicly, to deter others from crime... so there is some kind of reasoning although I don't like that idea... just squeamish?
 

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Really?
Is killing a "voted off the island" person by torturing them to death better than killing them quickly and painlessly?

In many cultures the cruelest tortures for punishment of crimes were carried out publicly, to deter others from crime... so there is some kind of reasoning although I don't like that idea... just squeamish?
I think self reflection is the best punishment.


As for deterrence, that ain't gonna fly with me.
 


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