Nitrogen Hypoxia Death Penalty

Lark

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Why not propofol? Out like a light, then inject with the fast acting death drug.
This has the same problem as barbiturates, Legal access. A physician can’t prescribe them, since the intent is to do harm. A pharmacy can’t provide them without a script. Drug companies don’t want to be seen supporting capital punishment. Many drugs companies are European, which is pro life after delivery.

in the past they would legally anesthetize the condemned, then stop the heart with potassium salts or paralyze the diaphragm or some other painful death. The problem is they botched the anesthetic part a few times.

Ed pointed out some of the problems getting an IV. I’d add many murderers were junkies and trashed their veins while being criminals. Some have hepatitis or other diseases from the dugs they used to do. At least one person deliberately damaged his veins on death row, in an effort not to die.
 

Rambler

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While not a fan of the death penalty (something we don't have here), I've always thought if a prosecutor withholds evidence that goes to the innocence of the accused or manipulates evidence to have a greater weight than it does, and in the process, convicts an innocent person and has them condemned, then the prosecutor should follow the accused in their fate.
 

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So you’re saying that you are trans, and you learned capitalization from an orange moron?
 

tane

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...as the discussion HAS turned to "pro or con death penalty":
For me very simple: has your judicial system ever made a wrongful conviction, yes or no? If "no", you are "god" - proceed to death penalty. If "Yes"...
FWIW: there is a VAST consensus here in the civilized world, that the DP is savagery pure & unadulterated & casts a corresponding light on your society. By executing a person you stoop down lower than he, he being just a single criminal, but you a whole society, coldly planning the killing.
& BTW: judging from your crime rate it doesn't do much in the way of deterrence.
 
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Blue Crab

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& BTW: judging from your crime rate it doesn't do much in the way of deterrence.
It's 100% effective on the perps. How ya gonna beat that?

And it might actually be a real deterrent to others if accomplished in a speedy manner as the Constitution intended. But first we'd have to kill all the practicing lawyers. Then kill the religious folk and the semi-religious folk who've bought into the religious notions of good and evil. It's all man-made horse puke. Pray to the heavens if you must but trust biology. Eat, survive, reproduce. That's all folks.
 

Captain Ketamine

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Getting an IV into this sized man is a challenge, but one we do regularly using ultrasound guidance. What agents you use is a matter of what’s available and what you are used to. A man of that size is likely to have obstructive sleep apnoea so will be more sensitive to sedatives. Generally I would use a combination of IV sedation, IV potassium to stop the heart and paralysis with a muscle relaxant, which essentially is how we stop the heart when a patient having open heart surgery is anaesthetised. Obviously they will be put on cardiopulmonary bypass with lines inserted into major vessels to ensure oxygenated blood from the bypass goes to the brain and the rest of the body, whilst a cardioplegic solution is pumped through the heart to keep it still, and cold to allow surger.
However This isn’t that type of situation. There are very few of my colleagues that would give their expertise to knock off someone. Well not with the authorities involved anyway, because we don’t trust them. I have no problems with execution of someone who has committed murder, especially multiple. BUT, I do have issues with the capacity of the average judicial system to get conviction right every time.
If a judiciary is to exercise its power and execute someone in a so called humane way then it’s difficult to say what is humane. Hypoxia is a little slow, a bullet is quick. The guillotine can be an efficient, cheap if not messy approach.
IV or intramuscular can still be an appropriate manner if you use an appropriate cocktail. Let’s also remember that those who decide to take on job of execution also can have long term issues with PTSD.
if it were up to me for a method of execution I suggest the Monty Python approach, being chased by gorgeous naked women, then falling off a cliff. See the meaning of life if you don’t know.
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FWIW I agree with th OP, not much point in debating the morality of the death penalty itself. I'm not a fan, mostly because I don't see a society making these kinds of decisions wisely. The way it's structured in the USA is ridiculous with both states and the Federal gov't having their fingers in the soup. Hell, if the states can impose the death penalty, why can't counties? How about townships, or the neighborhood watch?

OTOH we're all going to die, death itself is not that much of a penalty, is it? On the overall moral scale, I mean. And if a person breaks into my house and threatens the lives of my family, then I have a moral permission to kill them if it's the only way to stop a more heinous crime. So why should our highest judges NOT have the same moral permission?

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Remodel

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FIFY. Although I have no problem with death penalties, the real reason has more to do with not feeding and housing them for years.
FWIIW, studies have shown that it is less expensive to feed and house a prisoner for life than it is to go through the multiple appeals processes involved in the average death penalty case.
 

SloopJonB

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It's 100% effective on the perps. How ya gonna beat that?

And it might actually be a real deterrent to others if accomplished in a speedy manner as the Constitution intended. But first we'd have to kill all the practicing lawyers. Then kill the religious folk and the semi-religious folk who've bought into the religious notions of good and evil. It's all man-made horse puke.
Sounds like a plan.
 

SloopJonB

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sounds like we should revisit the appeals process
Before they eliminated the death penalty the Brits typically executed convicts within a few months of their conviction. Lots of time for appeals.

The American process of decades, even lifetimes of delay is ridiculous - either you have the DP or you don't - stop fucking around.
 

Vgree

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I have had the experience of putting handcuffs on two murderers in my career. Both of them were situations where there was zero question about their guilt.
One murdered a deputy on dash camera purely because he served the suspects buddy with an eviction notice. I've seen the video and watched my friend die a few times, then the team I'm a part of was able to professionally take the murderer in to custody without hurting him. That man should have gotten the death penalty, but he took a plea deal and got life in prison.

The other murderer I arrested was out on parole and messed up and was going back to prison. He forced his girlfriend to invite two of her friends over, once the first one showed up he began to rape and beat both his girlfriend and her friend. The second friend showed up and got weirded out and left before she made it in the door. She called the police the next morning. We found the friend dead and the girlfriend beaten to the point we didn't recognize her. This was all in the presence of a 10 year old girl. The beating was bad enough he broke a dumbbell over the head of the woman who died. There was zero question who did it and he confessed and was proud of it. He sadly died in prison from an overdose before he could face his court case.

Those type of situations need the death penalty.
 

Blue Crab

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Yep.

The American process of decades, even lifetimes of delay is ridiculous -
One issue is that some?/many? judges don't have to meet any deadlines. That's dumb. A whole bunch of DR folks die of natural causes while waiting and obviously older folks have more health issues. That feeds into the canard that life imprisonment is cheaper. It wouldn't be if we'd follow the Constit on Amendments 6 and 8. And the injection drugs are comically expensive. A 9mm cartridge is not.
 
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