NY to SFO the hard way

Bruno

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Sure. I'm positive he has lots of spare energy to ride a bike to make water. He'll be resting and sleeping if he has any spare energy left!
His system as is seems to be working for him, he'll only get more out of his panels as he proceeds.

But those electric systems are 4-5k plus power.

 

Ovakus

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Sailing Day 46 (Mar 24) 24 hr DMG to SF was 235 nm with DOG of 246 nm @ 10.3 knots of average boatspeed. SF is 330 (only 4666 nm)  from his present position. He drove a little north of that course at 346 for the past 24 hr. Summary of the daily log attached.

View attachment NYC2SF 2022.docx

 

ProaSailor

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Ryan Finn
Mar 24, 2022 12:43:15 PM (PDT)
Speed: 18.71 mph (16.25 knots)    Course: NNW
Lat: -30.470088    Lon: -85.391921

  • Last half hour: 5.472 NM / 0.5 hours = 10.9 knots | heading 338°
  • Last 7.5 hours: 79.934 NM / 7.5 hours = 10.7 knots | heading 343°

https://www.windy.com/?-36.967,-75.190,5,m:cOkadMO

Wind E 17 knots gusting to 24 knots, Waves S 12 feet at 11 secs., Temp 66 F, Clouds 86%

windy_2022Mar24b.jpg

 

ProaSailor

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Ryan Finn
Mar 24, 2022   7:43:30 PM (PDT)
Speed: 12.22 mph (10.6 knots)    Course: NW
Lat: -29.113941    Lon: -85.812556

  • Last half hour: 5.637 NM / 0.5 hours = 11.3 knots | heading 333°
  • Last 7 hours: 84.088 NM / 7 hours = 12 knots | heading 345°

https://www.windy.com/?-35.586,-76.421,5,m:cQEadL7

Wind SE 19 knots gusting to 25 knots, Waves S 11 feet at 11 secs., Temp 68 F

windy_2022Mar24c.jpg

 

ProaSailor

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There is an anomalous 4.5 hour gap in the tracker (49.6 NM) between 8:43 PM PDT, March 24 and 1:10 AM PDT, March 25.

Ryan Finn ( https://share.garmin.com/82X63 )
Mar 25, 2022  3:10:45 AM (PDT)
Speed: 10.19 mph (8.9 knots)   Course: NNW
Lat: -27.869493   Lon: -86.484053

  • Last half hour: 5.421 NM / 0.5 hours = 10.8 knots | heading 339°
  • Last 8 hours: 88.134 NM / 8 hours = 11 knots | heading 334°

https://www.windy.com/?-34.724,-77.388,5,m:cSDadKX

Wind E 16 knots gusting to 24 knots, Waves S 10 feet at 10 secs., Temp 68 F, Current flowing W 0.5 knots

Weather pattern is far more stable now than it was between Cape Horn and latitude -40.

 
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ProaSailor

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Another glitch in the tracker, ~2.5 NM this time, ending the old track at 7:10:45 AM PDT and starting a new one 13 minutes later at 7:23:45 AM PDT, misaligned with previous timestamps.

Also, Ryan jibed due west two hours ago, around 12:24:00 PM PDT, as wind speed and wave height dropped.  This makes a "dogleg" in the track which distorts distances based on lat/lon (right @Ovakus?), so those calcs are split at the turn.

Two hours heading west:

  • 2:24:00 PM PDT | -26.376586,-87.383086 | 18.438 NM / 2 hours = 9.2 knots | heading 269°
  • 12:24:00 PM PDT | -26.372123,-87.040965

Five hours heading north:

  • 12:24:00 PM PDT | -26.372123,-87.040965 | 49.293 NM / 5 hours = 9.86 knots | heading 345°
  • 7:23:45 AM PDT | -27.167998,-86.803515

Ryan Finn
Mar 25, 2022   2:24:00 PM (PDT)
Speed: 12.22 mph (10.6 knots)    Course: W
Lat: -26.376586    Lon: -87.383086

https://www.windy.com/?-32.787,-81.431,5,m:cU8adJt

Wind SE 11 knots gusting to 16 knots, Waves S 9 feet at 10 secs., Temp 69 F, Clouds 82%

windy_2022Mar25a.jpg

windy_2022Mar25b.png

 
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harryproa

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You have a lot to be proud about Ryan…..
Certainly does.  As does Russ, who designed and built the boat.  And Commanders, who have threaded some pretty small needles.

PS and Ovakus,

Thanks for the updates and performance analysis.  

Some answers to questions in the thread:

The windward hull is a longer (2.7m/9'), lighter replacement for the original to provide a smoother ride and allow more water ballast to be carried.  Built of infused foam/fibreglass.

Changing headsails on the stern is marginally better than on the bow, but both are fraught, particularly with minimal lifelines/pulpit/pushpit/safety net.    I have designed, built and sailed proas from 5m/16' to 20m/66' with unstayed ballestron rigs.  They are easier to use, cheaper, more reliable and less complicated than proas with the headsail attached to the boat.    For cruising boats of any type, ballestrons are far superior to stayed rigs with all the deck gear and high loads they carry.  Adding stays to a ballestron results in a pin head main, which is not only inefficient, but requires a smaller jib to maintain positive mainsheet pressure.  

They are not first choice any more as mainsail only schooner rigs allow more sail, easier balancing, better use of space in the lee hull and faster shunting.

Shunting method depends on the boat style:

The traditional boats, with crab claw sails have to sail onto a reach to move the rigs from end to end or the rig falls down to windward.  Slow, but it looks like ballet when the experts do it.

Headsails attached to hull proas have to furl or drop the headsail and rehoist/unfurl them at the other end. usually done from a reach to a reach. Slow, hard work and potentially dangerous if hanks are used.  A lot of them also have to raise/lower rudders.   

Schooner rigged proas without attached headsails shunt by dumping the sheet(s), trimming on the new aft sail, the rudders rotate automatically and the new foresail sheets on 90% of the way due to weathercocking as the luff happens.   When you get good, you luff head to wind before dumping the sheets and lose no ground to windward.  

Single sail or ballestron rigged proas use the same technique, but need to be a little more nuanced to avoid ending up head to wind on the new shunt.  

The bigger the waves, the closer it gets to the tacking time of a cat, but without the backing headsails/caught in irons/high boat speed required scenarios.   

Simpler to do than explain, but there is a video, animation and drawings at http://harryproa.com/?p=1910

Shunting downwind is similar; Traditional and headsail attached boats luff onto a reach, move rig or detach/attach headsails, lift/lower rudders and bear away.  

On the schooner rig, release the sheets, trim on the foresail which stops the boat, the rudders reverse and the foresail bears you away onto a broad reach, 90% auto trimming the aft sail at the same time.  Moving crew weight aft on a light boat speeds this up, as does 2 large rudders mounted fore and aft with no daggerboard in the windward hull, but it is still slower than a conventional boat gybe.

Happy to discuss any of this, but not on this thread if you are going to make it personal.  In which case email me at [email protected], start a new thread, or add to the Big Red Proa thread.  

Rob
 

 

ProaSailor

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Ryan Finn
Mar 26, 2022   4:54:15 AM (PDT)
Speed: 12.91 mph (11.2 knots)    Course: W
Lat: -26.493788    Lon: -89.906895

https://www.windy.com/?-26.057,-91.362,5,m:cUYadE8

Wind E 13 knots gusting to 18 knots, Waves S 8 feet at 10 secs., Temp 67 F, Current flowing NW 0.3 knots

Last half hour: 5.124 NM / 0.5 hours = 10.25 knots | heading 250°

He's being "lifted" SW, time to jibe north!

tracker_2022Mar26a.png

 
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ProaSailor

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Facebook post from Ryan: https://www.facebook.com/2oceans1rock/posts/453036139949211

"Squally morning, none have hit me yet, but I see rain on several horizons. I gybed yesterday to consolidate back to rumbline, and gybed back to starboard 30 mins ago, and I was immediately headed down to nearly to my port tack heading, with the wind shifting from 120 to 60 degrees. Meaning the rain to my East has definitely influenced local conditions. I'll ride this out until I'm back on course. I actually prefer it that way.  yesterday evening and this morning were quite light, even down to six knots at times. in general there has been less wind than forecast here, but the direction has been accurate and if I have to pick one version of steady wind it would be direction over velocity.  It just makes the geometry of navigation more accurate, even if I'm a little slower than the model. I'm racing two models now. The most recent one is 5 miles ahead and I just crossed the track of the other one, less than 2 miles behind me. Anyway, back to what actually matters! I-10 Longitude Game position thia morning: I just drove through New Orleans and am passing Kenner on my way to Baton Rouge, LA."

tracker_2022Mar26cc.png

https://www.windy.com/?-34.760,-83.057,5,m:cTuadEu

Wind E 14 knots gusting to 20 knots, Waves S 8 feet at 10 secs.

windy_2022Mar26a.jpg

 
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Ovakus

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Sailing Day 48 (Mar 26) 24 hr DMG to SF was 127 nm with DOG of 198 nm @ 8.3 knots of average boat speed. My calculation of DOG just measures distance between start and stop points for the 24 hr run. If he is gybing or tacking alot then his actual speed through the water will be higher -- I'm just too lazy generally to calculate each leg. But for example, yesterday's gybing legs summed to give 223 nm through the water at 9.3 knots rather than the 198 nm and 8.3 knots using my crude approximation.  And with Ryan's report of lightish winds (as low as 6 knots but who knows what the average was), it is still impressive to get 9.3 knots of average boat speed for 24 hours. Summary of the daily log attached.

View attachment NYC2SF 2022.docx

 

Ovakus

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With Ryan past Cape Horn (and even though he still has thousands of miles to go still), I feel somewhat comfortable enough to return to the topic of records. To start, whether Ryan sets a record or not is generally besides the point.  It is a monumental achievement just getting to where he is now. And it has been a badass old school adventure that I'm just happy to follow. But with those caveats, I'm still curious about how this voyage stacks up to others especially as this voyage is so extraordinary considering LOA and/or displacement combined with speed.

As to the overall single-handed assisted (meaning at least one stop or assistance somewhere) NYC to SF via CH record, it seems that the record is 81 days set by Philippe Monnet in 1989 in 60 ft tri.  See https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/ryan-finn-progress-solo-record-attempt/ . Monnet stopped in Puerto Montt for repairs after hitting ice near Cape Horn. As noted by @Sidecar a while back, that record is not plausibly in jeopardy from this trip (but only because of the shipping/part delays). 

But my new question: What is the outright record (single handed or not) for NYC to SF for a boat under 40ft?

I did a little searching (I'm no expert on the topic) and I could not find anything for record times under 40 ft. As a rough estimate barring any extra stops or emergencies, Ryan (if he keeps his current 8.0 knots VMG average) will make it to SF in about 89 days total (ie 22 days from now).  That is still one day faster than Flying Cloud. Will he hold the record for fastest NYC to SF single handed assisted under 40 ft?  Or perhaps fastest NYC to SF outright under 40 ft? It seems he would claim the former for sure but also maybe the latter.  Does anyone know of any under 40 ft voyages that he is competing against?

"Up to 40ft" seems to be category tracked by World Sailing Speed Council ( https://www.sailspeedrecords.com/offshore )

 

Steve

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With Ryan past Cape Horn (and even though he still has thousands of miles to go still), I feel somewhat comfortable enough to return to the topic of records. To start, whether Ryan sets a record or not is generally besides the point.  It is a monumental achievement just getting to where he is now. And it has been a badass old school adventure that I'm just happy to follow. But with those caveats, I'm still curious about how this voyage stacks up to others especially as this voyage is so extraordinary considering LOA and/or displacement combined with speed.

As to the overall single-handed assisted (meaning at least one stop or assistance somewhere) NYC to SF via CH record, it seems that the record is 81 days set by Philippe Monnet in 1989 in 60 ft tri.  See https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/ryan-finn-progress-solo-record-attempt/ . Monnet stopped in Puerto Montt for repairs after hitting ice near Cape Horn. As noted by @Sidecar a while back, that record is not plausibly in jeopardy from this trip (but only because of the shipping/part delays). 

But my new question: What is the outright record (single handed or not) for NYC to SF for a boat under 40ft?

I did a little searching (I'm no expert on the topic) and I could not find anything for record times under 40 ft. As a rough estimate barring any extra stops or emergencies, Ryan (if he keeps his current 8.0 knots VMG average) will make it to SF in about 89 days total (ie 22 days from now).  That is still one day faster than Flying Cloud. Will he hold the record for fastest NYC to SF single handed assisted under 40 ft?  Or perhaps fastest NYC to SF outright under 40 ft? It seems he would claim the former for sure but also maybe the latter.  Does anyone know of any under 40 ft voyages that he is competing against?

"Up to 40ft" seems to be category tracked by World Sailing Speed Council ( https://www.sailspeedrecords.com/offshore )
This has for sure been a great adventure that i too am very excited to follow. As for records, i do not keep up on them but i feel like we must have surely witnessed the first Cape Horn rounding by proa. Please correct me if i'm wrong. I'm loving seeing a little plywood boat punching above its weight, Ryan has been sailing very smart and deserves all the accolades he receives.

 

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