Oh dear Honda out trucks Toyota, Chevy and Nissan

[Rockdog]

Did the Tacos ever get rid of their death wobble issue?

The ton of bricks thing...OK a half ton pickup cannot support 1 ton of bricks falling into it. The frame and suspension will get fucked.

I've picked up rock before and had other guys pull in for a load and the guys working the yard just say no.

Not to mention, if one of those bricks bounces right, buh bye back window.

Dents? I have Line-X and as others mentioned a board works just fine. The only thing I don't like about the Line-X is that it's hard to slide stuff in b/c it's textured.

Death wobble ... That's a Dodge thing. If a Toyota gets it, it's probably an infection from parking too close to Dodge.
My Dodge Dakota so far is okay, no wobble. It's the Mitsubishi rebrand, maybe they did better QC on those. A friend's Jeep had it, needed a tie rod upgrade I think. But as far as I know, the new ones are fixed, they beefed up the front end, from bushings to sway bar.

I was thinking, why did Dodge stop making a midsize? Was it cannibalizing sales from the Rams?

Again, Mike commenting about QC and Death Wobble - two things he knows nothing about.

Its an issue related to front suspensions and steering systems involving beam axles and coil springs.

So, the Dakota and Mitsubishi would have the problem. Jeeps get it as well.

 

[mikewof]

Did the Tacos ever get rid of their death wobble issue?

The ton of bricks thing...OK a half ton pickup cannot support 1 ton of bricks falling into it. The frame and suspension will get fucked.

I've picked up rock before and had other guys pull in for a load and the guys working the yard just say no.

Not to mention, if one of those bricks bounces right, buh bye back window.

Dents? I have Line-X and as others mentioned a board works just fine. The only thing I don't like about the Line-X is that it's hard to slide stuff in b/c it's textured.

Death wobble ... That's a Dodge thing. If a Toyota gets it, it's probably an infection from parking too close to Dodge.
My Dodge Dakota so far is okay, no wobble. It's the Mitsubishi rebrand, maybe they did better QC on those. A friend's Jeep had it, needed a tie rod upgrade I think. But as far as I know, the new ones are fixed, they beefed up the front end, from bushings to sway bar.

I was thinking, why did Dodge stop making a midsize? Was it cannibalizing sales from the Rams?

Again, Mike commenting about QC and Death Wobble - two things he knows nothing about.
Its an issue related to front suspensions and steering systems involving beam axles and coil springs.

So, the Dakota and Mitsubishi would have the problem. Jeeps get it as well.

My Dakota does not have the death wobble I thought it did, but it hasn't come back.

And I wrote that my friend's Jeep had it. It can come from different things.

But a question, are you too illiterate to actually read what is written here? Because you seem to have an odd habit of disagreeing with me, and then just rewrittng what I wrote. We devoted the good part of a whole thread to the Chrysler death wobble about a year ago.

 

[d'ranger]

The F-35A catches fire, which differentiates it from the Ridgeline which hasn't despite Happy's Jacking.

 

[austin1972]

Because the other companies put it where it matters. Frame, engine and transmission

The rest of it can go to shit. It's about function. Like a boat. It's all a trade-off.

I have norovirus right now, which is why I'm up so late. Man, this sucks. I feel like a sieve. IV's are the only hydration I can keep in. Ick.

No fun I'm sure. Get Well.

The way I see it, none of the midsize trucks would meet your needs. I get that. What I don't get is why for the guy who's hauling and towing needs are met by a Ridgeline you can't admit it might be a good choice.

I have never said the Ridgeline is a bad choice. I even complimented it somewhere above. It fits the need for a niche.

Mike, Tacos got a soft recall for death wobble. And according to my doc, if you come into contact with noro and touch your face or it gets in a cut (I have chronic atopic eczema) you're gonna get it. It's incredibly contagious. However, I'll do my best to eat sushi as often as I can. It's my favorite food. Good sushi is incredibly honest and that's what I like in my food. Not maki rolls; sashimi with miso and a salad!

Oh fuk, what have you done? I'm still under quarantine and I want to go so bad now. 4 days of not eating leaves one pretty hungry.

Since I'm not supposed to leave the house, I'm eating the fridge and it's getting barren. Fortunately, I have baby wax potatoes, broccoli and a thawing rack of lamb for tonight.

Beer is a big issue though. I have none and can't remember the last time I was dry for a week straight. Oh well.

 

[Terrorvision]

At least the Honda wasn't the first of the hairdresser's pick-ups:

If you're going to go for aluminium and want serious pump, then how about one of the cars that we deal in:

Can be done with a twin-cab pick up too.

Engine

• 5.0ltr V8 Land Rover engine
• 300bhp with FIA restrictor
• 580Nm with FIA restrictor
Transmission
• 6 speed Sadev gearbox
• Epicyclic centre differential with viscous coupling
• Ricardo front, rear and centre differentials with 60/40 torque split
Suspension
• Double wishbone independent front and rear
• 4 x Donerre Lithium dampers with fast rebound system
• 250mm suspension travel (FIA regulated limit)

 

[mikewof]

I read that Fiat is planning to make an updated pickup version of the Jeep Wrangler.

 

[mikewof]

You are wrong. I'm stating their truck beds of that era were much worse than the big threes. Your own posts support that.

Since this post, I counted about ten '80s era rusted bed Toyota trucks, and not one of them had any serious rust on the made-in-Japan portion. I don't remember what we were debating, but I think that observation means something. Maybe I don't know what it actually means as well as you do. Can you explain that observation?

Do I need glasses? Something having to do with the U.S. manufacturing of the era? Back half 98% more prone to rust than the front half?

I had a 1974 Camaro, the poor gal rusted like a wad of steel wool in a bilge, but the front seemed to rust at about the same rate as the back. Ditto with an old Mercury Comet, I could lift the floor mat and see street. Why would the back of a Toyota rust so much and the front barely at all?

 

[U20guy2]

Not really.. The AT overheated on TFL during their comparison test driving empty up a dirt road. It was first to be parked. The Canyon caught its low airdam, next and they parked it 《 easy fix.

The Taco and Frontier went the whole way. The old Frontier got the most votes for one major reason fewer electronic nannies.

If your AT over heats driving up a dirt road with zero load and one passenger Id say Honda missed the mark in a big way.

 

[mikewof]

Not really.. The AT overheated on TFL during their comparison test driving empty up a dirt road. It was first to be parked. The Canyon caught its low airdam, next and they parked it 《 easy fix.

The Taco and Frontier went the whole way. The old Frontier got the most votes for one major reason fewer electronic nannies.

If your AT over heats driving up a dirt road with zero load and one passenger Id say Honda missed the mark in a big way.

GM is big on those air dams because it adds a solid digit to their MPG ratings. They're useless for off-roading, but I think most people who buy a new truck tend to happyjack it, and keep it away from the rocks, sticks and mud ... they never notice the air dam.

A friend who got a new Silverado though, does off road it, and he told me that he made it a game to try to rip off the air dam on an approach. He reports it to be a little more resilient than he expected.

As for load, a different friend used a Silverado to tow a 10k lbs generator with broken brakes, miles up and down a rutted dirt path. Other than needing a new set of brake pads, the Silverado didn't seem to care.

Midsize trucks have increased in size to the point that I don't see much advantage in them anymore. My 2007 midsize gets lower mpg than a new Tundra, F150 or Silverado, but it's just as long and can only tow half as much. What's the point?

 

[U20guy2]

Narrower than the really wide full size rigs. Around the bay area thats a big parking deal.

An over heated AT on a brand new and empty truck would suggest the Honda is no more than a lifted Accord with a bed vs trunk. Nothing worse than simply lacking cooling capability for an unloaded drive.

 

[mikewof]

Narrower than the really wide full size rigs. Around the bay area thats a big parking deal.

An over heated AT on a brand new and empty truck would suggest the Honda is no more than a lifted Accord with a bed vs trunk. Nothing worse than simply lacking cooling capability for an unloaded drive.

That's my take on my wife's Honda Pilot. It has to haul around nearly the weight of a truck, but the components are undersized which is why it has been in the shop about five times even though it only has 100k miles on it ... the components fail because they're overstressed from having to haul around a lot of weight, when they were designed to haul around a car.

 

[d'ranger]

Enough with all the bashing - Trucklets have bedder sound.

 

[U20guy2]

I went to school with a production engineer that ran the line in Freemont ca.

The frames were sourced and hauled in daily from a couple of small shops, some body work was rolled on site, beds were hauled in daily like the frames. I worked across 880 from the plant drove past toyota rigs loaded with frames and beds daily. Toyota owned the plant and had shared production line agreements with GM for a few yrs.

The Toyota family not the Company struck a deal with Elon Musk he couldnt pass up usle NUMI to build cars. When that deal was struck he moved his battery plant idea to the front burner given he didnt need to build a new Auto plant. Though NUMI tooling was set up for iron body and frame assembly. Which required extensive retooling for Aluminum assembly.

A bumper installer at NUMI during the last few peak yrs was pulling down about 98k a year.

 

[mikewof]

I went to school with a production engineer that ran the line in Freemont ca.

The frames were sourced and hauled in daily from a couple of small shops, some body work was rolled on site, beds were hauled in daily like the frames. I worked across 880 from the plant drove past toyota rigs loaded with frames and beds daily. Toyota owned the plant and had shared production line agreements with GM for a few yrs.

The Toyota family not the Company struck a deal with Elon Musk he couldnt pass up usle NUMI to build cars. When that deal was struck he moved his battery plant idea to the front burner given he didnt need to build a new Auto plant. Though NUMI tooling was set up for iron body and frame assembly. Which required extensive retooling for Aluminum assembly.

A bumper installer at NUMI during the last few peak yrs was pulling down about 98k a year.

Any idea why the family got involved? How would that help them other than some short-term revenues? I noticed that they now offer the Li-Ion battery option for the Prius instead of just NiMh, maybe they're getting them from Musk?

 

[U20guy2]

Three reasons

#1 The Family had $$$$ tied up in Tesla

#2 Numi was shuttered and had no chance of any existing companies wanting it

#3 Was reported a big interest of the Family was Elon's process or methods to drive creativity and product development. Even the Family knows people view Toyota cars as bland appliances lacking unique character etc. It was reported that was a big part of the discussion during their meeting with him.

 

[Happy Jack]

Not really.. The AT overheated on TFL during their comparison test driving empty up a dirt road. It was first to be parked. The Canyon caught its low airdam, next and they parked it 《 easy fix.

The Taco and Frontier went the whole way. The old Frontier got the most votes for one major reason fewer electronic nannies.

If your AT over heats driving up a dirt road with zero load and one passenger Id say Honda missed the mark in a big way.

Your story is incomplete. There are active clutches on each differential and between front and rear. These do a fantastic job locking out torque to any wheel that does not have traction. In mud, sand, snow this is a fantastic system for maximising traction and using outside wheel torque to counter understeer.

However if the tires are ill suited to the terrain and they are always losing traction as there would be on a steep grade covered in rocks. This makes the clutches work full time and eventually over heat. With proper tires for that road the system would perform much better.

The Fast Lane is clear that they test trucks as they come from the showroom and acknowledge that the Honda chose tires for street manners and not for rock crawling.

Even so this is not what the truck is designed to do.

Tacoma is better off road. Honda is better on road.

I'm on road 99% of the time. Most truck owners are.

One other factoid this Honda VS the rest argument fails to mention. That many configurations of the other trucks get sold that are similarly crappy off road and can't tow as much as a Ridgeline.

I do not need to tow more than 5000 lbs. There are no 8% rocky grades in Florida and in all other ways the Honda, even the 1st gen Honda beats out the competition.

 

[U20guy2]

Not really.. The AT overheated on TFL during their comparison test driving empty up a dirt road. It was first to be parked. The Canyon caught its low airdam, next and they parked it 《 easy fix.

The Taco and Frontier went the whole way. The old Frontier got the most votes for one major reason fewer electronic nannies.

If your AT over heats driving up a dirt road with zero load and one passenger Id say Honda missed the mark in a big way.

Your story is incomplete. There are active clutches on each differential and between front and rear. These do a fantastic job locking out torque to any wheel that does not have traction. In mud, sand, snow this is a fantastic system for maximising traction and using outside wheel torque to counter understeer.

However if the tires are ill suited to the terrain and they are always losing traction as there would be on a steep grade covered in rocks. This makes the clutches work full time and eventually over heat. With proper tires for that road the system would perform much better.

The Fast Lane is clear that they test trucks as they come from the showroom and acknowledge that the Honda chose tires for street manners and not for rock crawling.

Even so this is not what the truck is designed to do.

Tacoma is better off road. Honda is better on road.

I'm on road 99% of the time. Most truck owners are.

One other factoid this Honda VS the rest argument fails to mention. That many configurations of the other trucks get sold that are similarly crappy off road and can't tow as much as a Ridgeline.

I do not need to tow more than 5000 lbs. There are no 8% rocky grades in Florida and in all other ways the Honda, even the 1st gen Honda beats out the competition.

With that argument my 7yr old Subaru still has it beat. It does Colorado trails easily, beats the Honda in mileage easily, rear seat is huge compared to the Honda, oh and yes we tow with the Subaru too. 1300lb loaded camp 4x6 trailer we do trip averages at 21mpg towing. So the honda is kinda just to look like your driving a truck but arent... LOL

 

[Spatial Ed]

Jack's reseting the expectations again. The Ridgeline got spanked in an off road head to head so he now says its an urban machine, built for city slickers.

 

[d'ranger]

The truck for those who want a truck but don't need a truck. Plus it's got that bedder sound system.

 

[Bus Driver]

If Happy Jack does all that driving on the road, why didn't he get a minivan?

Oh, right.

He did.