Older fast Aus multies

Indian Chief

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I just checked in here and read the posts on Bullfrog. In January 2014 and just a couple of weeks before Bottman purchased Bullfrog i had agreed to buy it for 80k and deposited 20k on it based on the purchase going ahead subject to a "reasonable" survey. I had started my offer for it at 60k but had to go up to 80k which was more than it was worth but, hey what's 20k when it comes to old multis. I had the broker put her on the beach at Bayview in Pittwater and flew Geoff Cruse down to do a survey at the same time he was doing one on a mates Crowther 52 Cat, Two Up Together. Geoff did a full survey including a moisture test across the boat and his findings were the boat was in trouble. He marked all the areas of concern with a grey lead pencil, (which i've seen Bottman refer to in old posts) and looked at me and said Darren, you'll need to spend at least 150-200k just on stripping the boat and fixing/rebuilding the damp balsa before you even fair and finish it and then have to replace the motor, sails, fittings etc etc. The boat would have needed to be stripped and put into a shed. I live in Sydney, so that was the first problem, where to do it? As much as i love the boat as I feel I've been associated with it over its full career, i had to let it go on Geoffs professional advise. it was beyond my capabilities. Geoff's survey findings were because of new work and fittings put on the boat that leaked into the balsa. So with this now behind me, I then went to France and looked at a few options there. That was going to be all too hard and I couldn't find the right boat there at the time. Then Top Gun came onto the market, I also tried to buy her 4 years earlier, however Gavin beat me to it. I quickly sold Indian Chief and bought Top Gun and have loved every day of bringing this old racer back to being a beautiful racer/cruiser in the best condition its ever been in. After reading all this and realising Bottmans struggles, I hope Bottman passes this treasured tri onto someone that can do the full restore and bring it back to its former glory before its all too late. I'm not entering into any further debate on this topic, however i felt compelled to share my story on this amazing tri.

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So are you nz sailors happy with the box rule leading to such low aspect rigs? Just a question not a judgement.
Yep We seem pretty happy with it, there are no moves to change it within the 8.5m class. 

Having  done the Coastal (and won the 8.5m class) now in Lucifer (Tri), Attitude (Cat) and Freedom (The nose diving cat in the video), the Class seems to have got the mix right to make fun, affordable, robust little boats that can still kick arse! Lucifer was 8th ton line this year out of 176 boats! Only beaten by a bunch of 50-70ft Multis, Ave Gatana (40ft Tri) and an OMCA 60 monohull!

 

plywoodboy

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I just checked in here and read the posts on Bullfrog. In January 2014 and just a couple of weeks before Bottman purchased Bullfrog i had agreed to buy it for 80k and deposited 20k on it based on the purchase going ahead subject to a "reasonable" survey. I had started my offer for it at 60k but had to go up to 80k which was more than it was worth but, hey what's 20k when it comes to old multis. I had the broker put her on the beach at Bayview in Pittwater and flew Geoff Cruse down to do a survey at the same time he was......
Thanks a tonne for sharing those pics Darren, the shape of those hulls is pure art enhanced by a nice beaching! It made me remember why these sites (and previously discussions in the pub) often stir up a bit of angst in us. Old classic boats are just a passion for old sailors, and in multihulls we don't have too many still savable. That is why some here are trying to verbalise to the owner "Your stewardship of this boat is a gift from above, so do something with it!"

While not in the same classic league, my 1994 Ostac F31 Tribute (to Ian F) ex Party Time ex Wilparina 1  has been easier to save, and is now nearly in original condition but with a few hidden carbon upgrades to make things a little better and lighter. Finding her on the dry dock after a decade not in the water with a foot of foul black water in both floats, and the sealed bow crashbox totally full of at least 40 litres of the same goo nearly scared me away. Massive lee help on one tack and weather helm on the other added to the fun. Because mine is more easily repaired foam glass, I tip my hat to Bottman taking on the balsa project and look forward to seeing her flying again. Tony (Bottman), we are all with you in different ways, especially Jason who I have met and have high regard for.

Regards,

Peter H   

 

Monkey

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Hey Monkey I say the same to Jason, he started it, with a finishing touch with an insult to my name,hows that?Bottman
I seriously don’t know why you think that was intentional. Look what autocorrect does when you start typing your username. I’m sure it was just an accident. 

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Monkey

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I don't profess to be familiar with auto correct but a quick enquiry reveals that you should type the whole word to get the corrected word.. Secondly I sign my name as Bottman, which was my nickname on Thursday Island. I cant get the computer to write what you are suggesting ,Bottm, bottom , or bottoms. That's why it could appear to some people as an intentional insult,dont you think? Whats a super anarchist moniker for? Bottman
No, I don’t agree at all. Like many people, I let auto fill complete words and occasionally miss the mistakes. 
 

I believe you’re acting like a paranoid schizophrenic. I do not mean that as an insult. It’s an observation based on you’re behavior. 

 

cynophobe

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So Darren had an unfavourable survey report from Geoff in 2014, in what year did you get this report from Geoff that says she's all good to go Bottman ?For a boat to jump from 80k to 200k I would hope for more than just a bit of balsa from Bunnings. 

 

powler2

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Heh Bottman. Kinda getting sick of you bashing Jason. You are making a mountain out of nothing - not even a mole hill. Sure you had a lot of bad luck. There is no agenda here from Jason and a heap of real world practical advice from many experienced multihull guys on the forum. So get on with it and finish the boat. Maybe take some advice from others that have knowledge. Stop banging on about what Cruisey said or wrote. Your original comments included renting the boat. So that's where a lot of the real world advice (facts) came from. Let go of your aggressive agenda.........just get back to the shed and finish the project. You'll likely be happier as well. BTW I notice Jason has too much integrity to get in the gutter with you. Good on him. His reputation and actions speak for him. Unfortunately yours is starting to as well for you. Still time to back off and build.

 

Hangtime

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Hey all

Can we move the Bullfrog bitchin,  Whinging and antagonising  to the Bullfrog page (Bullfrogs Mast).

It kind of wrecked this thread about Older Aus Multis.

 

PIL66 - XL2

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Ok ... Now for some positive stuff...... I'll start

It appears XL2 will soon go to a shed in Sydney and and hopefully be back out sailing in 6 or so months... will let you all know more when i know 

Pic was sent to me by my local Waterways Officer.... I laughed

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Indian Chief

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Ok ... Now for some positive stuff...... I'll start

It appears XL2 will soon go to a shed in Sydney and and hopefully be back out sailing in 6 or so months... will let you all know more when i know 

Pic was sent to me by my local Waterways Officer.... I laughed

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Great stuff Pil, just make sure you get up to Pittwater for the Crowther Regatta this time so we can kick your ass back to Cronulla :)  

 

DtM

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Ok.  Bottman, unless you say something really really stupid I am going to lay off and hope this thread gets back on track with more interesting things like the upgrade of XL2.

Please just fix Bullfrog to the state your NZ sistership is in and go sailing.  We ALL support you in that. Get off this forum, you will only get hurt.

Leave Jason  and everyone else alone and get on with your boat or give it to someone to finally fix it.

From the lowest part of my heart (see what I avoided there), good luck.

daniel 

 

PIL66 - XL2

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Great stuff Pil, just make sure you get up to Pittwater for the Crowther Regatta this time so we can kick your ass back to Cronulla :)  
ooooh   a slap in the face with a glove..... 

Challenge accepted ... love it

Now to source that new 25 meter mast and foils

Hey Bittman (Bottom) You are now way off topic... I love your boat and I used to enjoy your posts but you are close to being one of only two to ever make my ignore list... right behind Doug Lord

 
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harryproa

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To get the conversation back to something interesting, how about Dan and Pil tell us how they managed to flip XL2?  How it was found?  How it was righted?  What, if any, damage?  What, if any, upgrades are planned?  

 

PIL66 - XL2

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To get the conversation back to something interesting, how about Dan and Pil tell us how they managed to flip XL2?  How it was found?  How it was righted?  What, if any, damage?  What, if any, upgrades are planned?  
I will very soon... just waiting on some info from insurance...  

 

DtM

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Bottman,

I said I would stay away unless you said something really stupid. And now you have.

The person who marked areas on the bow (and probably other places) using a moisture meter was the same person you hold up as the greatest surveyor of all time. You are an idiot.

Take your meds, fix your boat and go sailing... or ... find someone to give it to to restore her.   PLEASE

 

cynophobe

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Bottman,

I said I would stay away unless you said something really stupid. And now you have.

The person who marked areas on the bow (and probably other places) using a moisture meter was the same person you hold up as the greatest surveyor of all time. You are an idiot.

Take your meds, fix your boat and go sailing... or ... find someone to give it to to restore her.   PLEASE
Can I suggest that all Bottshit replies are put on the other thread. 

 
Hay everyone. 

After a few years without a boat   Im back with this Weapon from Kangaroo Island. I’m currently in Harvey bay giving her a  tidy  up . She Will be in the piss  before Christmas Terrorising the sandy Straits.Before heading north at Easter to do some racing And cruising full time . Any info on the history of the boat would be great . All I know is it guy name Philip designed and built her around 1990 South Australia Kangaroo Island area she’s got a new set of rags and is a flat bottom dagger board boat . 

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In other news ….Paul has finally got rags on Bags and boy do they look sexy!

Will let Him share the details......

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Yep new Sails for Bags. I commissioned 1Sails for these and they really great sails. We are having to do a little tuning on the jib as expected but they maximise the sail area, about 66sqm for the main and 44 sqm for the jib. I now have some forestay tension issues so and looking at adding running backstays at the bolt that holds the forestay onto the mast. Also am working on the sheeting position for the jib as we are at the front of the track and still need more down force. I think the main halyard and jammer needs replacing as it is slipping plus the mast rotators also need some work. Captain Tricko put together this little video for me when we went for a test sail on the weekend. The boat in the distance is Zero. We seemed to be keeping hight against them however they were a little faster than Bags. Lots of learning to do to get the best out of her yet. 



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