Older well known IOR Boats

[12 metre]

That's a beautiful stern shape. Who's design is that?

Evergreen?  C&C - Rob Ball I believe

 

[sledracr]

Plus Steve Killing, IIRC.

 

[Maxx Baqustae]

Great boat!

(and not as "checkered" a past as Great Fun, anyway...)

I had the pleasure and honour to sail on Zamazaan up here in the '80's when it was out to charter. I think we did Swiftsure with it. Great boat! No question.

 

[quezal]

Anyone have any update on what has happened to (this) Moonduster?

http://afloat.ie/sail/historic-boats/item/31463-irish-yacht-moonduster-is-a-sad-sight

Unfortunately she is in the same place needing some love .There was an Irish group trying to buy her back last year but seems to have gone by the way side such a shame to see a piece of Irish history in this state 

 

[Dilligaf0220]

That's a beautiful stern shape. Who's design is that?

Robbie Ball.

Evergreen?  C&C - Rob Ball I believe

Plus Steve Killing, IIRC.

Evergreen doing warmups before her 1978 Canada's Cup win, designed by C&C Yachts in their heyday.  Mostly by Robbie Ball but Steve Killing had been working there for a few years by then.

FYI - Steve Killing also crewed a lot of Evergreen's races, including the Canada's Cup, I'm pretty sure that's him standing in the photo.

Evergreen was criticized heavily at the time for being too lightly built, and playing fast & loose with the 2-Tonner IOR rule.  But that boat went on to survive the 1979 Fastnet and compete in a few more long distance ocean races.

Bob if you've never read Against All Odds, I can lend you a copy for your library.  The Canada's Cup has fallen by the wayside, but at the time it was probably harder fought than that, y'know, other match race.

 

[paulewill]

Unfortunately she is in the same place needing some love .There was an Irish group trying to buy her back last year but seems to have gone by the way side such a shame to see a piece of Irish history in this state 

Thanks. Very sad. 

 

[poopie pants]

 

[sledracr]

^^^ one of the stars of the cult classic "Pacific High", which followed 4 boats (Checkmate/Peterson-50, Green Hungarian/CF-41, Shamrock and Ragtime) on the Ensenada race.

Edge of the seat entertainment!

 

[bigrpowr]

^^^ one of the stars of the cult classic "Pacific High", which followed 4 boats (Checkmate/Peterson-50, Green Hungarian/CF-41, Shamrock and Ragtime) on the Ensenada race.

Edge of the seat entertainment!

didn't have an open transom and it didn't have a raised cabin top. wonder if it went under the knife or it's a different boat ?

 

[sledracr]

I'm thinking it's probably that knife thing.  Right sail number, and there aren't all that many bright-finished cold-molded peterson-designed IOR hulls around...

 

[poopie pants]

Gramps said that boat has always been named checkmate 

She won the Pan Am clipper race sometime last century 

 

[Maxx Baqustae]

^^^ one of the stars of the cult classic "Pacific High", which followed 4 boats (Checkmate/Peterson-50, Green Hungarian/CF-41, Shamrock and Ragtime) on the Ensenada race.

Edge of the seat entertainment!

The Green Hungarian huh? Ended up in Vancouver as a liveaboard. A Kiwi and his Canadian wife had it for awhile. He was a mastmaker and ended up working for TNZ in the '95 cup. According to Wastebook still in Auckland. Got some pics of GH somewhere.

 

[sledracr]

The Green Hungarian huh?

(laughing) yeah.  For a while there were a bunch of CF-41s in the southern-california circuit, halfway decent all-around boats.  I spent a lot of time on "Fiver", GH was never quite on the pace... but might be a good liveaboard, who knows.  Lots of volume and not too many of the IOR bad-habits.

 

[some dude]

(laughing) yeah.  For a while there were a bunch of CF-41s in the southern-california circuit, halfway decent all-around boats.  I spent a lot of time on "Fiver", GH was never quite on the pace... but might be a good liveaboard, who knows.  Lots of volume and not too many of the IOR bad-habits.

Except being roly-poly downwind. What was the Fiver owners name?  He was a character. 

 

[sledracr]

What was the Fiver owners name?  He was a character. 

Bill Rohr (sp?)

only owner I ever saw who could get Billy Wheeler to shut up and sail.  

 

[AlR]

Bill Rohr (sp?)

only owner I ever saw who could get Billy Wheeler to shut up and sail.  

Rohrs, with an s. 

Fiver was originally owned by Choate.

Another good all around design by Shad.  The stern surgery that worked so well on the 37s was tried on a couple of the 41s, but wasn't as successful.

 

[bigrpowr]

Gramps said that boat has always been named checkmate 

She won the Pan Am clipper race sometime last century 

nah , she got smashed in the clipper cup, may have had (1) top 3 finish in 7 or so races. i always got the feeling monty was a pita owner . 

 

[Hitchhiker]

  "Selling his liveaboard"...

  Slightly self deprecating understatement.  Gorgeous boat.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1997/Perry-Dencho-Custom-3069826/Long-Beach/CA/United-States#.WTRnjsa1uCg

This image makes me happy:



Except for the outlet placement.....

 

[sledracr]

Fiver was originally owned by Choate.

Hmmm, I wish I could remember Fiver's sail number.

Because... Choate had a superstition about sail numbers: on every one of his boats, the sail number came out as "8" when you reduced it to a single digit

Bingo was 20888 (2+0+8+8+8 = 26, 2+6 = 8)
Sixpence/Audacious was 43433 (4+3+4+3+3 = 17, 1+7 = 8)
Bluejacket was 43100 (4+3+1 = 8)
Arriba was 67643 (6+7+6+4+3 = 26, 2+6 = 8)
Brisa was 77300 (7+7+3 = 17, 1+7 = 8)
Saga was 77984 (7+7+9+8+4 = 35, 3+5 = 8)

Legend had it that Choate wouldn't sail on - let alone own - a boat if the sail number didn't work out to "8". For "his" boats, he'd jump through hoops (applying for sail numbers in different parts of the country) in order to get a number that "worked".

I can't pull Fiver's number out of my head.  I have a photo somewhere, but not handy.  In any case, my fuzzy recollection was that Fiver was a "normal" 57xxx number that didn't fit the superstition... and if it didn't reduce to "8", Choate didn't own it.

...or so the legend goes.

 

[AlR]

Hmmm, I wish I could remember Fiver's sail number.

Because... Choate had a superstition about sail numbers: on every one of his boats, the sail number came out as "8" when you reduced it to a single digit

Bingo was 20888 (2+0+8+8+8 = 26, 2+6 = 8)
Sixpence/Audacious was 43433 (4+3+4+3+3 = 17, 1+7 = 8)
Bluejacket was 43100 (4+3+1 = 8)
Arriba was 67643 (6+7+6+4+3 = 26, 2+6 = 8)
Brisa was 77300 (7+7+3 = 17, 1+7 = 8)
Saga was 77984 (7+7+9+8+4 = 35, 3+5 = 8)

Legend had it that Choate wouldn't sail on - let alone own - a boat if the sail number didn't work out to "8". For "his" boats, he'd jump through hoops (applying for sail numbers in different parts of the country) in order to get a number that "worked".

I can't pull Fiver's number out of my head.  I have a photo somewhere, but not handy.  In any case, my fuzzy recollection was that Fiver was a "normal" 57xxx number that didn't fit the superstition... and if it didn't reduce to "8", Choate didn't own it.

...or so the legend goes.

Fiver was 57959.  Do the math.

Check the text from Brisa '81 TP.