sledracr
Super Anarchist
Cool. At least the legend holds ;-)
Older well known IOR Boats
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Hitchhiker
Hoopy Frood
kinardly
Super Anarchist
I was up touring the Choate boatworks looking into a Choate 40 a few days before the Transpac and was invited to see Brisa which had just splashed at some dumpy marina in LA Harbor. They were carrying winches around the deck trying to figure out placement and I thought are you kidding me? I heard they were still mounting deck hardware as they motored out to Pt Fermin for the start but I guess they got it right. I think Dennis must have an amazing ability to communicate what he wants done to people he trusts to do the job and who can figure out any details along the way.
Cool story bro. Except Brisa was launched and sailed more than 4 months before TP.
This one is right up there with your story about the "Peterson" 1T Crackerjack (a N/M) that Betts built, and the unnamed SD builder that you lost faith in due to Jim's comments. You never did name that builder, or the two boats he was building when you toured his shop.
Devoforedeckus
Member
sledracr
Super Anarchist
Yep. Proof is the presence of the photo in the TP program. Don't know what it is like now, but Back In The Day you had to submit a photo of the boat sailing as part of the entry process, and the drop-dead date for submitting photos was usually around the beginning of May. Plus it all had to be (provably) sorted before the TP tech-inspection....
Somebody Else
a person of little consequence
What are the worst words a designer can hear from a builder?
"You're going to like what I did with the [fill in the blank]."
But then again... there is just something about sailboats built by surfers... Ron Moore's Reef, Bill Lee's Chicken Coop, and, well, Dencho.
Somebody Else
a person of little consequence
That didn't stop many programs from the process of bolting on winches on the way to the starting line.
A few boats were launched before they were anything close to seaworthy, mast stepped and held up by running rigging, a day with very light wind and a .50 oz made to fly high. Photo snapped, developed, and submitted. Job done.
Mast pulled out, boat back to the yard to get finished, hopefully by early July...
Somebody Else
a person of little consequence
Still, I know the hairs on the back of your neck prickled when you heard those word re: Starbuck...
Brisa won her class at LBRW in 1981, a month before the TP. I wonder if they did the regatta with running rigging holding up the rig?
No one in their right mind would put up a spinnaker on a mast held up with "running rigging". How do you do that? Run halyards over the spreader tips? What about the two sets of intermediates? Lowers? If the mast is done the rigging should also be done, so why wouldn't you use it?
If you faked a photo and were launched just days before the TP, when would you get your measurement done?
BS being piled upon BS.
kinardly
Super Anarchist
All I can recall is seeing the boat in the water with nothing on the deck and being told they were readying for the Transpac which I thought was coming up hard and fast that week. If I got the dates off, well, OK. I heard the other story about bolting on deck hardware on the way to the start later and it fits with my recollection.
As for the Betts story, the other builder was a guy named Emmit Jones or something like that who was building a couple of cold molded wooden boats in an old metal building in San Marcos. One was a kind of replica of a fifties runabout and the other was a sport fisher, the one that wound up on the beach in Mexico. Eva Hollman later took over his old place and finished one of her designs there.
sledracr
Super Anarchist
Did exactly this with "Free Spirit", the Mull 40 owned by Dick Ettinger and sailed by UC irvine sailing team in the 1977 TP.
Put the boat in the water at Bos'n's Locker, stuck a mast in it, held it up with halyards, hoisted a kite, sailed down the bay just long enough to catch a photo, turned around and pulled it all back out. But at some point (?) they *had* to get measured and pass a tech inspection. That had to be more than a few days before the start.
sledracr
Super Anarchist
Somebody Else
a person of little consequence
Somebody Else
a person of little consequence
Aha! Free Spirit!
"No one in their right mind..." OK, AIR, I'll give you that one!
sledracr burn!
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Another Dick Ettinger boat--the Serendipity 43 Free Enterprise: I had the job of performing some IOR optimization on the boat prior to Lipton Cup. IIRC, I moved the CNG tank and batteries and replumbed/rewired to suit. Maybe some other stuff too. My memory... it would be funny if it wasn't tragic. I do remember listening to some cassettes Gordo left on board: The Police and Alan Parson Project.
"No one in their right mind..." OK, AIR, I'll give you that one!
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Another Dick Ettinger boat--the Serendipity 43 Free Enterprise: I had the job of performing some IOR optimization on the boat prior to Lipton Cup. IIRC, I moved the CNG tank and batteries and replumbed/rewired to suit. Maybe some other stuff too. My memory... it would be funny if it wasn't tragic. I do remember listening to some cassettes Gordo left on board: The Police and Alan Parson Project.
